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Aeolus451 said:
Incels aren't MRAs or political. They're essentially an online community of guys who can't have sex or get into relationships for a variety of reasons. I think most of them are normal virgins and the socially awkward. Just interacting with more women would fix those.

There is a segment of incels that are the opposite of the man hating feminist. Society shouldn't ostracize them or conflate regular virgins with them because it will only make them worse and turn them into some kind of movement.

My encounters with MRAs have given me the impression that they're generally incels. The focus has very little to do with actual rights of men, but on the sexual advantage of women and their bizarre perception of a crazy "feminazi regime." While the MRA movement claims to support "fathers rights" - I generally do not see any actual fathers seeking child custody among their ranks; they claim to support a group of people who wants nothing to do with them - and even then, this is typically a small topic of discussion that only pops up from time to time because of the perceived support of their "women dominate us" agenda. In addition, there are a lot of racial things included, they don't seem to include blacks among their class.

They don't seem to have many men in their ranks, mostly boys in their teens and younger twenties. Not even close to the age that they would have actually had the life experiences that would actually send them demanding rights - because, for the most part, life is not even close to as tough toward men as they seem to think it will be. Their frustration comes from not having sex rather than any actual injustice against them: that's why their focus is so much on women's roles in society and not the status of men's rights; in other words, the MRA is their more "rational" ideological vent for young men not having sex.

(Note: I put the quotes around "rational" because, while their arguments seem logical, the actual reality of the world does not align with the notion of injustice they claim to be fighting against.)



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.