Labo is a huge ripoff and a waste of a great concept (so far)

[DonFerrari]

duduspace1 said:

DonFerrari said:

1 - You haven't because you just put that they are comparable, you haven't said how, why and anything.

GoW3 pricing is standard AAA cost for the gen, so that in itself have 0 need to explain. I have told you that several times and you ignored. I also gave you some of the aspects that goes to the cost of making it.

You are mixing cost to develop with cost to ship in a try to change your point, but still have explained nothing of it.

2 - The type of minigames inside of Labo + cardboard is the type of game that goes on the cheap section of minigames, so 40 USD would be the usual price. 60 USD could be acceptable also since it's average gaming price. It doesn't have anything to justify 80 USD pricetag.

And you may say whatever you want, when I asked about the cost to make it (because you were trying to equate it to GoW) and you asked sources to give yours you haven't been able to provide anything except a marketing cost for Pokemon. And I know why, because you have no idea. Pokemon is more of the outlier in Nintendo expenditures (and that is because of marketing) because as I said estimatives is that it costed about 1M to develop, most Nintendo games are on the realm of the 10M. So you have to prove why Labo would be near 50M.

Just to help you more on believing that GoW budget on 50M estimative is conservative and about average of AAA see this as well https://kotaku.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-big-video-game-1501413649

You won't see Nintendo games on the list for AAA costing 60M TO MAKE because the assets needed for Wii, WiiU and now Switch have been much lower than the competitors at the time because the HW itself doesn't get to the same level.

2 - I did plenty of times but you just ignore it.

You proposed yourself to give the cost of Labo, still waiting and you'll never do it because you have no idea how to make it.

What is obvious on the sig is that you have no idea of what cost to develop is.

1.  Why exactly do you think you can use standard AAA pricing and I can't use standard Nintendo pricing ? And just to correct a misconception you have, the reason why you don't see Nintendo games on that list has nothing to do with assets or the power of their console, it is more to do with the fact that Nintendo don't specifically release the cost of making each of their games to the public domain unlike individual development/publishing companies who deal with maybe only one particular game.

2. Kindly show me one of these your mini games that has similar features as the Toy-Con garage. Only a one track mind can possibly conclude that the Toy Con garage which led to the performance of Ariana Grande's music solely with the Switch and Labo is worth absolutely nothing beyond a mini game.

3. What is obvious on your Sig is that you are a very petty individual, but thanks for the publicity I didn't have to pay you for anyway. I am sure those who view your sig can read our posts and follow both our train of thoughts provided they are not as petty as yourself. I would be extremely glad if you still have it on by this time next year. 

I am still waiting for your confirmed actual cost of making GoW or at least a very reasonable estimation that is gotten from that particular game's development cycle itself and not a predecessor. All I have gotten so far from you are estimated extrapolations from GoW3. If you can provide it, then I assure you I would pick through Nintendo's financial report to get you a very decent idea of how much exactly it cost to make Labo.

1 - Standard Nintendo price for games was 40 for HH and 60 for console, where is 80 standard for Nintendo?

Thanks for clarifying this piece of knowledge, now I know that if Nintendo was releasing the cost to marketing (because it seems cost to develop is meaningless) we would have Pikmin costing more than CoD or Destiny right?

2 - So you want to tie the price of Labo or Toycon to Ariana Grande music? That must be some kind of new metric as MS uses.

3 - You simply decided to ignore average AAA gaming develop cost, GoW3 as basis to extrapolate considering GoW was above and beyond every single aspect of GoW3, be it duration, size of the game, resolution, polycount, VA, texture, time to develop you name it. If you can find the magic that allows you to make everything more and costing much less I would be glad to share that with all developers, who mind you, have been very clear about cost for making games increasing from gen 6 to 7 and 7 to 8.

I shall give you another help just so you get an idea of production cost for GoW itself from another angle.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59173/publishers-calculate-game-budgets/index.html gives rule of thumb of 10k per month per employee.

http://sms.playstation.com/studio/ gives SSM have over 200 employees and they were solely developing GoW.

Their last launched game was ascension in 2013.

So that give us about 60 months, with 200 people at 10k. Total = 60*200*10000 = 120.000.000 in wages only for production cost.

This doesn't include marketing, outsource, temporary staff, etc.

Will you preffer the low balling of 50M I gave initially for GoW or do you preffer this 120M?