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areason said:
Carl said:

This is an idiotic argument that refuses to look at the context of the situation.

No it isn't.

While you can argue that TFA had the advantage of being the first star wars movie in a long time, and didn't have the disadvantage of a bad prequel, TLJ also had the hype of the return of Luke, as well as the advantage of not being an introduction to a new trilogy. 

Very true.  It also opened only ~15% lower than TLJ WW.  If there had been no fan backlash, it would have most likely stayed around that range.  So, it should have made ~$1.7B-$1.8B.  In fact, BOM said that $750M-$830M at the DBO was the safe bet.  Hell, it even performed worse than my most pessimistic prediction of being ~$600M down.  Instead it was ~$735.7M down.

It amazes me the lengths supporters of this new Disney set of films, or the messages they are trying to push, go to ignore a major fan backlash, when all the evidence is staring them in the face.

Mar1217 said:
thismeintiel said:

First time watching it?  I watched it last weekend.  I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would.  I liked the first one, even though they ruined a lot of the best jokes by having them in the trailers.  I just didn't think they could deliver a solid sequel, but I was wrong.

They also got the passion of an actor who's the perfect fit for the role so it kinda helps to make it work :)

Agreed.