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duduspace1 on 21 May 2018
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DonFerrari said:
GoOnKid said:

Same goes to you. I just pointed out that production costs never justify any price.

Where did I say production costs justify any price? What I said is that if I see a price that is much higher than the cost I won't buy because I would feel ripped-off.

duduspace1 said:

1. Read my post again, and take note of the part that says everybody has a right to complain but also others have a right to challenge them on what they are complaining about since they additionally have an option to spend their money as they wish to buy or not to buy.

2. That point is irrelevant, the point is that if a person uses the fact that they consider Labo to have sold low numbers as a reason to say it is a rip off, then the verdict is loud and clear from Japan that GOW (the entire series) is a rip off. That point is solely about the concept that the value one attaches to something is largely based on the utility it provides for them. In this case 'Enjoyment and Relaxation'.

3. That is your own assumption on the stock inventory situation, I have also heard alternative explanations for example that inventories are based on retailer projections. Labo is new, so it is well within the realm of possibility that projections are off some people's expectations.

4. Another assumption on your part, that the generally low sales affects every single game SKU which you cannot actually be definitive on until you have actual numbers for sale. In terms of relative performance though, in the month Labo has done well.

I am not in the business of saying a game is a failure until it has enough time in the market to make such judgements. I can make a distinction between outstanding sales, middling sales and a flop. I would call neither Splatoon nor COD a flop. I leave that to those who are prone to questionable judgements based on their platform affiliations.

1 - Unfortunately you phrased it much more as they shouldn't complain, they should just not buy it. But last I remind opinions aren't facts to be challenged. Or do you expect people to say you are feeling wrong whenever you say a feeling you have?

2 - Your point makes zero sense, the product isn't restricted to Japan and almost every full game release for 60USD. Labo isn't a full game, and is 80USD.

3 - My own assumption? Funny that you agreed with me that their projections were over what they actually sold, so that basically agrees with the relevant parties having higher projection than the sales.

4 - What assumption? I have talked about Switch not having a bump in sales, check NPD and see how much it sold (almost on pair with X1 and a lot lower than PS4), Labo didn't spring Switch sales on the month it released.

I haven't seem anyone here say it is a flop, so are you reaching much? First month sales in VGC is usually considered enough time to put expectations in perspective and see that WW Labo didn't took-off, sure it can in the future.

1. Anyone who puts an opinion on  a public forum should expect such opinions to be challenged. That is precisely what makes forums tick. You cannot put up an opinion and expect everyone to concur with no dissent. You should be fine as long as such dissent is logically reasoned and respectably communicated. It is very okay to agree to disagree.

 

2. It is your point that makes no sense actually. Labo is a game/collection of games that can be integrated with cardboard and other physical components (some of which are supplied).

 

3. Depends what you term relevant parties and the term 'some' is still very accurate because you have no data to say All Retailers or Nintendo had higher projections in all circumstances. Like I said, there have been other explanations. It is left to you to accept them as relevant or not. Personally, I do.

4. Assumption in the sense of your post that I was responding to which suggested something I can present as a simple equation as follows:

April was a generally low month=Labo sales was low despite being one of the highest sellees in the month. 

That is an assumption.

As to whether Labo bumped up sale noticeably, even though you are only just pointing that out and it wasnt originally what I was responding to, I would agree woth you that certainly it didnt do so immediately but I would also  point out to you that we had only 2 or 3 days sales data to go in the month of April for Labo and the general consensus is that Labo is a new concept that will take time to gain traction with sales expected to be more towards the holiday periods.

If you read back from where our discussion started, I believe you'll be pleasantly surprised to find out that you were the first to use the term failure and that I only used the term flop as a synonym to failure to answer a question you posed.

As to whether Labo took off worldwide, while we await data from Europe, I would say it has taken off reasonably well in the US and Japan with the information we have so far.

Last edited by duduspace1 - on 21 May 2018