Ps4 with APU using 7nm processor?

[Bofferbrauer2]

fatslob-:O said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

They are asking for those modifications, but again, they are not designing any part of the chips themselves! You fail to realize what it need to have to design the damn things themselves. If Sony could do that, there would be no need to go to AMD and ask them to do so, as AMD isn't producing the chips, only designing them (=fabless) (though in fairness, the CPU would then been a POWER derived chip, not x86-64). The designs are done by AMD, the PDKs have been aquired by AMD, and AMD is producing a lot at TSMC, for instance all their GPU chips and a small part of CPUs and Mainboard chips.

Umm, no they can't ? In case you didn't realize AMD has a WSA with Globalfoundaries until 2020 ... 

And NO they do not produce all of their GPU chips at TSMC, the only design that they have in their pipeline using TSMC is Vega 20 but that's intended to be a low volume part and it hasn't released yet ... 

ALL of their CURRENT GPUs in production are using Globalfoundaries 14nm process node and no small part of their CPUs are using TSMC either ... (they aren't using EMIB/Infinity Fabric or some other shit with different chips) 

My bad, I knew Navi was meant to be produced there and mixed it up with Vega.

And yeah, I know about their contract with GF very well. It states the minimum volume of wafers AMD is forced to accept, their price, and that they have to pay for those produced at other, non-GF Fabs. With Ryzen being a success it's very probably they can fulfill the first part with that one alone, especially if Servers start to switch to EPYC. AMD is partnering with TSMC for Navi because of much larger production capabilities and more advanced development in their 7nm process.

TSMC is producing some old embedded chips from AMD (probably Bobcat derived G-series) and is supposed to produce the ARM-based Opteron, but neither is a very high volume and coming from pre-2016 agreements.

Btw, Ryzen 2 chips are produced in GFs 12nm LP (leading performance), not any "standard" 14nm process (yes I know that the 12nm process is "just" a refined 14nm, just wanted to point it out)