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mZuzek said:
Doc755 said:

What I took issue with is that you painted my review not only inaccurately but in a light you felt comfortable arguing in. Again, your three main strawman arguments are nowhere in my review. That was the only reason I responded. And again, for someone who claims to love this film so much, you spend more time talking about how other people see the film rather than how you do. Perhaps you see those flaws and need to explain them away. No idea why else you would bring them up when I didn’t.

As for the group chemistry, are you saying it does not exist? Because yes, that comes from the first film. Do we pretend we don’t know this group of actors is good together? Oh but wait. As I said, the film pops more when the group is together. A film that so bluntly talks about family and then splits up said family for a majority of the film (leading to an unfocused narrative) is going to affect how you see the film. Now maybe you prefer the group spilt up. Vek can tell you in other shows and films I see splitting up the main casts actually dilutes the product unless you’re telling a more engaging story. I didn’t find all those stories engaging as I stated in my review. They have high points and lows. You can disagree as you see fit.

Do I think Rocket grew as a character? Sure. But the film takes a large portion of that opening sequence to establish a conflict. That we don’t see a resolution to said conflict is notable. You can say “Well I think they handled it off screen”.

I didn't say they handled it off screen, I said they handled it internally. They didn't need to openly apologize to each other because by the time they saw each other again they already understood that. I thought that was quite clear.

Also, splitting the family doesn't make for an unfocused narrative if that's the whole point of the movie. It deconstructs its theme to emphasize it. Maybe it didn't work for you, but that doesn't make it incoherent.

Anyways, as I said, that's a review I wrote several months ago. Back then, I had just finished another "forced" viewing of the film, which as always ended up in me not enjoying it too much. By the end, I got a little depressed not because of the bittersweet ending, but rather because I didn't get engaged enough in it, and I ended up reflecting on loads of stuff over that night, including all the criticism I've seen for this film over the months and how stereotypical most of it is. In fact just a few days earlier, I had met some oldschool friends for the first time in a while and we talked a lot about loads of different things, and eventually the theme of GotG Vol. 2 popped up and they bashed it pretty hard too. That bothered me, of course.

I still stand by the idea that most people who didn't like Vol. 2 too much weren't really fans of the first one to begin with. That they liked the first one mostly because it was fresh rather than because it was good. I actually think this is a wider issue within the cinema industry, mostly evidenced by the critical reception The Last Jedi got. People value boldness more than they do quality.

Anyways, I didn't talk much about why I love the movie because it'd be redundant. I've already talked lengths about it here and elsewhere (of course, you wouldn't know), and I think it's obvious to most people how I feel about it. Ultimately, whenever I praised it I always seemed to be going against the curve, and that probably prompted me to try and be more 'aggressive' in the review, in an attempt to change that curve. Being outside of the curve isn't ever a good feeling, in fact that's the main theme of my favorite character.

But it'd do us both (and certainly the thread) good to stop talking about this, anyway.

I would never begrudge anyone for how they see a film. For as much as we try to remain objective, art is always going to be subjective. If you notice prior to today I never really pushed back on any person’s review. If someone was questioning a certain plot point, or got something factually wrong, I would weigh in. But the purpose of the rewatch as I saw it was to watch and see different perspectives on these films together. You love the film, clearly. And that’s great. Everyone has their own choices and understandably can be protective of them. I actually had no issue with your review. I read it and just thought “ok”. I’m sorry you maybe have run into more hostile people in the wild. I’m no stranger to that. I’m in a political group on Facebook and battle on public pages a lot so been there. What I took issue with was calling my review out specifically in regard to how you saw criticism of the film. Even though my review did not conform to that criticism. If you disagree with me, that’s fine. But the issue I took was writing off criticism in a manner that made you feel more comfortable. I actually think it’s funny because I seem to hold it higher regard than a lot of the people you’re talking about. I enjoy the film of a personal level. I critiqued the film on a professional level. I’m happy to put this to bed and as an olive branch, per your comment about people not actually liking the first film, I’d be willing to rank it lower. For you. 😉