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[Jumpin]

Mr Puggsly said:

Jumpin said:
Hitler calling himself a "socialist" is a historical semantical difference.
The proper translation for Hitler's socialism would be fascism.


- or maybe racial-extremist fascism (since nationalist seems almost too dull a term for the reality of Nazism). But Hitler heavily opposed both socialism and capitalism.

Capitalism aims to be a merit-based income system, but the reality is it's a risk investment based income system.
Fascism IS a merit-based income system, although the truth of these merits is questionable (with Nazis, they included racial and cultural factors).

Both capitalism and fascism have a profit motive.

To try and illustrate it: capitalism is on the right, socialism on the left... Fascism isn't on this axis, it's somewhere up or down from the center point.

It would be more accurate to say that the goals of fascism - of a merit-based paradise - are more in line with the goals of capitalism than they are with communism or socialism. But it is incorrect to say either is equal to the other.

I feel like youre playing word gymnastics because you dont want the word socialism assosiated with Hitler.

Frankly, it seems like all governments, especially in prosperous countries, practice various of the styles of government. Essentially, the best countries are practicing right wing and left wing ideas. But the countries that pracrtice left wing politics like socialism/communism, find themselves with what appears to be a fascist leader by definition.

But even with a word like nationalist become a bad word because of Hitler. Essentially many political philosophies become sullied because there is some link to the Nazi party. When the reality is governments tend be an amalgamation of different ideas, not just a single philosophy.

It's not "word gymnastics," it's a fact of history. Basically, Marxist socialism is synonymous with socialism today - while National socialism is synonymous with fascism (and not socialism). Think of it this way, in Switzerland and Austria potatoes are called "Ground Apples" however, such a thing does not occur in English at all, apples refer specifically to the fruit that grows on trees, and never the tubers that grow in the ground that you call potatoes.

Socialism since the 1920s has evolved to mean Marxism; but, historically socialism was used to ALSO refer to other things such as State Socialism, and Nationalism Socialism is no different; and National Socialism is in extreme opposition to Marxist socialism (or, just socialism as we call it today). The proper translation (especially into English) would be fascism, the only time we call fascism "socialism" is when we are studying history and using the words they used.

In terms of the "Nationalism" stuff, if that is aimed at me, it's a misrepresenting of what I wrote. I specified that the term "Nationalism" is less extreme than what the Nazis were doing - my post specifically states that the Nazi Nationalism was about the (genetic) superiority of the Aryan master race and German culture.

 

Anyway, back to the fun topic of fascism. It is a very different thing from socialism (Marxism) and communism. I illustrated some of them in an earlier post, but some major differences:

* Communism eliminates class distinction, has no profit incentive, no concept of nationalism, and either a representative government or anarchy.
* Socialism aims to eliminate class distinction, equalize income, and have an all-inclusive economy no matter gender, race, or creed.
* Fascism aims to maintain and regulate class distinction, give profit incentive based on merit, and has a strong sense of national values (which may include extreme racism) and extreme Social-Darwinistic policy.

In Marxist theory, socialism is a step toward communism.
Fascism takes no such steps, it is as opposed to communism as capitalism is. The ultimate goal of fascism is the increasing of the power of the nation. Those who do not fit the national identity are relegated to a lower class: reasons included genetic background, culture, creed, sexuality, and other defects (defects, as in anything that differs from the national ideal - in Germany, this was the Aryan master-race). Fascists enslaved and executed people who were deemed inferior in the name of the good of the nation (as in the German cultured of the Aryan race).

While fascism was against capitalism in theory, it still employed capitalistic supply and demand mechanisms. Where it differs from capitalism is the state-regulation; you couldn't have a Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos style billionaires (or "Jew-like cheats" as Hitler would refer to them) - in addition, competition was not legal, so (for example) it would be illegal Starbucks to come in and sell coffee for cheaper than the other shops - while capitalism encourages that sort of competition.