Jaicee said:
You're right: being a relatively poor American woman lacking both the resources and desire to engage in sex tourism, I don't have that experience going for me. I do, however, have data concerning the general contents of pornography. Approximately 88% of porn scenes contain violent acts (such as slapping, choking, etc.) and 49% include verbal aggression (mostly name-calling). Almost all (94%) of these portrayals of aggressive behavior are directed towards women, and about three-fourths of them are specifically committed by men. The women are almost always portrayed as finding these experiences pleasurable. I think this paints a very clear picture of what social roles are being portrayed in aggregate.
Answering, again in order of the questions asked: -By predatory I essentially mean unwanted sexual aggression; namely, sexual harassment and assault. I'm just using that as a blanket term to cover all of it. - In the question of whether gendered behavior by men and women is mostly the product of nature or instead of nurture, men tend to conclude that it is mostly nature, while women tend to conclude that it is mostly nurture; social conditioning to behave in certain ways. Who is right? Well let's put it this way: Scientific findings as yet seem to reinforce the first view only to the degree that female scientists are absent from the picture. Remember that the next time you hear some guy online cite "evolutionary biology" or "science" in the abstract as an argument against feminist ideas that challenge gender roles. -What I would object to in your last question is the simplistic equivocation of physical strength with being male, as though the weaker man is less legitimately male...or as though the physically fit woman is less legitimately female because she lifts weights. These gendered assumptions have a real impact on the way people live their lives. I've spoken to many women over the years who have told me that they deliberately avoid activities like weight-lifting out of fear that they'll "bulk up like a man", i.e. become less female as a result. I don't think that gendered stigmas like that should exist. Weight-lifting lifting should just be weight-lifting. It shouldn't be thought of as specifically male. |
"Remember that the next time you hear some guy online cite "evolutionary biology" or "science" in the abstract as an argument against feminist ideas that challenge gender roles."
fair enough, do you think then that if we socialised girls the same as boys then we'd have men and women that behave the same in adulthood?
" I've spoken to many women over the years who have told me that they deliberately avoid activities like weight-lifting out of fear that they'll "bulk up like a man", i.e. become less female as a result. I don't think that gendered stigmas like that should exist."
yeah i've heard women make comments like that before and its pretty ignorant a thing to say since putting on muscle generally takes a lot of time and effort
but isn't that more to do though with what men and women find attractive though?
like maybe they figure that since men aren't attracted to large women with lots of muscle that they'd therefore avoid becoming that way?
"Approximately 88% of porn scenes contain violent acts (such as slapping, choking, etc.) "
this wasn't posted to me but an interesting thing about this is that i've experienced and men i know have experienced women requested to be slapped, have their hair pulled or choked or whatever and being a good man i'd refuse
i've wondered if maybe that's due to our society socialising women to percieve themselves as weaker and worthy of abuse of something