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Jumpin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Fact is that all those games came out when system was considered for fail and nobody really paid attention on Wii U except biggest Nintendo fans, thats a fact, but strong great games in early life could bring atentione to console before it failed.

Wii U didnt had mediocre sales, it start having catastrophic sales only 2 months after launch and all 3rd party left platform in 1st year, and later nothing relly couldnt save it.

You missing point, point is that Wii U would sell better than it did if it could get some of heviy hitters in its 1st year instead they come out when system was already dead (Splatoon, MK8D and Mario Maker in 1st year would definatly make difrence beacuse people would have reason to buy console), also you can bet that Switch would have worse sales if it didnt had Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey in its 1st year, beacuse one of biggest reason why Switch is selling great is already solid number of great and strong 1st party games (4 huge hevy hitters in 1st 9 months of console on market).

You didn't answer my question; Wii U was still on store shelves for years, with games and everything. In addition, third party games didn't sell any worse later on than they did early on in the Wii U's lifecycle. Assassin's Creed 4 initially sold better than 3 on Wii U despite the console supposedly being dead. People were still buying Wii Us every year despite the fact that the console was dead. I'll ask again: Do you buy consoles based on your perception of whether it is doing well on the market or not? Or do you buy them because there's a game on it you want to play, or a price drop occurred?

 

But I'll put it this way instead:

In the first two months, instead of Breath of the Wild, 1-2 Switch, Puyo Puyo Tetris - Just Dance 2017, Skylanders Imaginators, Lego City Undercover, Mario Kart 8, Disgaea 5, Street Fighter 2 it instead comes out in 2012 and has in its first two months:

* Nintendo Land (bundled)
* Assassin's Creed 3
* Batman: Arkham City
* Call of Duty Black Ops 2
* Ben 10 Omniverse
* Darksiders 2
* Epic Mickey 2
* Fifa 13
* Just Dance 4
* Mass Effect 3: Special Edition (port)
* New Super Mario Bros U
* Trine 2
* Tekken Tag Tournament 2
* Zombi U
* Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
* Warriors Orochi 3
* 007 Legends
* Ninja Gaiden's 3: Razor's Edge (port)
* NBA 2K13
* ESPN Sports Connection
* Game Party Champions
* Rabbid's Land
* Tank! Tank! Tank!
* Transformers Prime
* Fitness Evolved 2013
* Madden NFL 13
* Sing Party
* Marvel Avengers
* Scribblenauts: Unlimited

Do you really think the Switch would launch with these and then die in 2 months?


If your answer is yes, then read below:

According to VGC - Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, and Assassin's Creed 3 all sold a combined 240K in 8 weeks.
According to VGC - It took a 40$ USD Street Fighter 2 only 10 weeks to equal that 240K - but according to Capcom the game sold 450K in its first 8 weeks.
Why is it that a port of such an old game potentially close to doubled three of the biggest releases of 2012? Despite the fact that virtually the same game with a much larger roster and feature list was widely available on other consoles for a cheaper price?
I'd suggest that it's because people wanted to play Street Fighter 2 on the Switch due to Switch's unique features.
In 2012, would a $40 Street Fighter 2 on Wii U have sold 450K in 8 weeks?

 

I would also suggest the same games that failed on Wii U would have done significantly better on Switch, even if they released today on Switch they would do better. Users would have the ability to take several of the biggest games of the year and play them anywhere: In your living room on TV, on a park bench, waiting at an airport, on a flight, in a van, at a sports game, on your lunch break, in a stadium, on a rooftop party, and toilets across the world! :P

I'd also suggest that the presence of Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, SM3D World, and Mario Marker in the first couple of months would not have improved the sales of any of the rest of the launch lineup on Wii U in any significant way. They might have boosted hardware, but would it have significantly improved sales in the long term?

Wii U was an unattractive console, it was slow, bulky, and the lead concept of asymmetric play was not very appealing.
On the other hand, Switch is an incredibly attractive console, fast, sleek, and the concept of playing with your friends/acquaintances anytime, anyplace, anywhere.

In order for people to buy them, they have to want to play them on the console. The Switch is a console people want to play a large variety of games on whether they're new releases or old ports... and in some cases, ancient.

A software's ability to attract purchases is not independent of platform/hardware - this is why I have been saying that games that might not have been very strong/appealing on the Wii U would be much stronger/more appealing on the Switch. If both were released at the same time with the same software, no doubt Switch would have murdered the Wii U in hardware sales.

Sry, but I dont understand what exactly is question!? Fact is that huge majority of industry did not pay attention on Wii U becuse was consider for fail in its 1st year, exept some hardcore Nintendo fans, there is reason why Wii U ended up with only 13.5m sold units and why Nintendo after Wii U prepared so many huge games in Switchs 1st year, obvoulsy beacuse Wii U didnt had strong system seller games in 1st year, even Nintendo talked about that and they said they dont want to repeat that mistake with Switch.

Evre console have good launch, problem is what after launch, Wii U start having catastrophic sales only 2 months after launch, it didnt had system seller game on launch and in its 1st year and huge software drouths.

You still missing point, no Switch wouldnt die like Wii U in any case beacuse Wii U didnt had problem with only games, branding/marketing was also bad, concept was not appealing for market and price point was not good compared to competition. Again, point is that Wii U would sell better than it did if it could get some of heviy hitters in its 1st year instead they come out when system was already dead (Splatoon, MK8D and Mario Maker in 1st year would definatly make difrence beacuse people would have reason to buy console), also you can bet that Switch would have worse sales if it didnt had Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey in its 1st year, beacuse one of biggest reason why Switch is selling great is already solid number of great and strong 1st party games (4 huge hevy hitters in 1st 9 months of console on market).

 

Thats my point with my inital post that you repley to me, those great games couldnt change nothing on Wii U beacuse Wii U was dead, but on Switch Wii U ports they will have stronger effect and in all most cases will have better sales compared to Wii U, becuse it more easier to keep momentum than to save failed console.

Offcourse that those games would largle improved Wii U sales, one of main reasons why Wii U failed is beacause there was not system seller game in its 1st year, of course that multiply system seller games would largle improved sales in its 1st year and Wii U probably wouldn't be dead after only 1 year on market, perception of Wii U would be difrent on market and it wouldnt left out whitout any 3rd party support in its 1st year like it did.

I dont compare Switch and Wii U, Wii U had too many mistakes to bi succfule like Switch in any case, while Switch have done almost anuthing right, but point is that great exclusive games on 1st place are reason for buying some Nintendo hardware (great brand/marketing, concept dont mean much if you dont game/s that will sell you all that), Wii U didnt any system seller game in hole 1st year, no reason to buy console, while Switch have 4 huge games in 1st 8 months on market.

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 14 April 2018