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thismeintiel on 26 March 2018
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Nem said:
Soundwave said:

All that shit should have been in The Force Awakens, that's not on Rian Johnson to stop his movie and now have to explain 50 different things because the movie that should have dealt with most that crap (TFA) just had to be "oooh it's a mystery" for every freaking damn thing. He already had to put in a broader fleshing out of what happens to Luke and Ben and I thought that was actually fairly clever how he twisted it a bit (nice Kurosawa homage also). 

The prequels don't make sense half of the fucking time. Who's Syfo Dyas? Where does he comes from? Does Attack of the Clones (IN FILM, none of that cartoon show bullshit) address that even though it's an entire plot line? Nope. An entire movie is spent on Obi-Wan snooping around for that and then they just drop it, lol. Who's Count Dooku really? What does he really want? I still have no fucking idea, and don't give me the "watch the cartoon show" crap, that should be in the film. Who's General Greivous? Where the fuck did he come from? What the hell does the Trade Federation actually want? None of this is clearly explained in those films, so gimme a break. Why do the Jedi not question how like 10 million clone troops just magically show up?

Luke being the way Luke is is not something Rian Johnson made up, that was established by JJ Abrams, Luke bails out on his friends and goes running off to an island doing nothing while the First Order takes over because his Jedi academy was massacred. That's said straight up by Han Solo. 

Beyond that the same concept for Luke was established even by Lucas before even JJ Abrams was on the project, that art is in The Art of TLJ book, so Luke being a hermit that runs away to an island while the galaxy suffers was always part of the story. 

To me The Force Awakens and Last Jedi are fairly even in quality. Flawed, but I think I prefer TLJ more because it's a bit darker of a film. Better than the prequels which are just a cartoon but below the OT by a good amount. 

The biggest problem with TLJ script is that it has too many characters and that cuts down on the compelling parts of it which are the Rey + Luke and Rey + Kylo sequences. Those parts of the movie work and work very well, the performances are good. There's DRA-MA there, not just nerd shit answers/fanboy wanking (that doesn't make a movie), Rian needed to stick to give those parts of the movie more screen time and all the Rose/Finn/Poe/Leia subplots less screen time.

That's where the setting makes sense. Syfa dias was a jedi master, dooku was an apprentice of Palpatine, but after the prequels pretty much every jedi died and the only Sith was palpatine. So, this snoke guy makes no sense without some explanation.

Btw i agree that that stuff should be in episode 7 and that is why i disliked it. I don't think the problem is TLJ but the whole thing. This new trilogy feels like a different dimension where the empire was never defeated. It's a can of nonsense. 

I still don't know what these "shit answers" are you are talking about, but theres also the highperspeed jump cutting things in half. That came out of nowhere. I think you are trying to attack something that is legitimate. I guess after the first movie it was "this stuff will get explained later". Now that they see it won't everyone woke up from the trance. xD

That's partly true. Unanswered questions was one of my biggest complaints with TFA. Same goes for how Luke reacted to his students turning to the Dark Side. However, many fans excused this, as they said it would all be addressed in the sequel. I knew it wouldn't, but many held out hope. The fact is, though, it could easily be explained in just a few scenes that lasted just a fraction of the running time. It was a freaking 2 1/2 hrs film after all. Take out a few jokes that never landed and add that in.

Now, here's why I say partly. While I say everything wasn't explained, some things were hinted at, but then changed in TLJ. TFA makes it seem that Luke was looking for something meaningful, but left a map to his exact location if things were ever to go down and they needed him. In TLJ, now he's a cranky old man (though is used for comic relief) that wants to die alone on an island. He also seems to forget he made a map, because he asked Chewbacca and Rey why are they there and how did they find him. I can't remember if this was hinted at or outright said, but with TFA many  viewers believed the Order to be the last remnants of the Empire seeking to destroy the Republic and take control of the galaxy, again, and the destruction of the Starkiller was a HUGE blow to them. In TLJ, they are now somehow so large that everyone fears them and will not strike back at them for destroying the Republic planets. And the Rebels are just some small insignificant force, when in TFA it made it seem as if had more than that small group we saw. Which then makes you wonder why the Order has made their destruction the number one priority. It's also so pathetic that they have absolutely no military strategy, yet came to rule the galaxy?  It's pretty bad that they can't find a solution to the Rebels that they are following, but any slub on the internet can think of a solution after watching those scenes for 5 mins.

A very small part of what's wrong withTLJ does rest on the back of TFA. However, the vast majority of its problems are all its own fault.