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Soundwave said:
Nem said:

So... a good script is one that introduces and removes settings and characters with no context?

 

What happened to the republic after last jedi? Howcome can a new empire just grow on their doorstep? Where does this new empire come from? Who is this snoke guy? These are fanboy questions that must be answered in a specific way? I didn't see any of that answered in any of the two movies. These are very important questions. This isn't a new franchise, it's Star wars, but it doesn't connect to star wars. 

I just have to disagree with that. I enjoyed TLJ, because after the clusterfeck that was episode 7 i knew what to expect. But in no way does it excuse the giganting plot holes. These are bad movies, but enjoyable movies. The prequals made more sense in the continuity.

All that shit should have been in The Force Awakens, that's not on Rian Johnson to stop his movie and now have to explain 50 different things because the movie that should have dealt with most that crap (TFA) just had to be "oooh it's a mystery" for every freaking damn thing. He already had to put in a broader fleshing out of what happens to Luke and Ben and I thought that was actually fairly clever how he twisted it a bit (nice Kurosawa homage also). 

The prequels don't make sense half of the fucking time. Who's Syfo Dyas? Where does he comes from? Does Attack of the Clones (IN FILM, none of that cartoon show bullshit) address that even though it's an entire plot line? Nope. An entire movie is spent on Obi-Wan snooping around for that and then they just drop it, lol. Who's Count Dooku really? What does he really want? I still have no fucking idea, and don't give me the "watch the cartoon show" crap, that should be in the film. Who's General Greivous? Where the fuck did he come from? What the hell does the Trade Federation actually want? None of this is clearly explained in those films, so gimme a break. Why do the Jedi not question how like 10 million clone troops just magically show up?

Luke being the way Luke is is not something Rian Johnson made up, that was established by JJ Abrams, Luke bails out on his friends and goes running off to an island doing nothing while the First Order takes over because his Jedi academy was massacred. That's said straight up by Han Solo. 

Beyond that the same concept for Luke was established even by Lucas before even JJ Abrams was on the project, that art is in The Art of TLJ book, so Luke being a hermit that runs away to an island while the galaxy suffers was always part of the story. 

To me The Force Awakens and Last Jedi are fairly even in quality. Flawed, but I think I prefer TLJ more because it's a bit darker of a film. Better than the prequels which are just a cartoon but below the OT by a good amount. 

The biggest problem with TLJ script is that it has too many characters and that cuts down on the compelling parts of it which are the Rey + Luke and Rey + Kylo sequences. Those parts of the movie work and work very well, the performances are good. There's DRA-MA there, not just nerd shit answers/fanboy wanking (that doesn't make a movie), Rian needed to stick to give those parts of the movie more screen time and all the Rose/Finn/Poe/Leia subplots less screen time.

That's where the setting makes sense. Syfa dias was a jedi master, dooku was an apprentice of Palpatine, but after the prequels pretty much every jedi died and the only Sith was palpatine. So, this snoke guy makes no sense without some explanation.

Btw i agree that that stuff should be in episode 7 and that is why i disliked it. I don't think the problem is TLJ but the whole thing. This new trilogy feels like a different dimension where the empire was never defeated. It's a can of nonsense. 

I still don't know what these "shit answers" are you are talking about, but theres also the highperspeed jump cutting things in half. That came out of nowhere. I think you are trying to attack something that is legitimate. I guess after the first movie it was "this stuff will get explained later". Now that they see it won't everyone woke up from the trance. xD