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thismeintiel on 18 March 2018
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Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:

Excuses, excuses, excuses.  And poor ones at that.

I suspect those are meanings he added later in his life, as the original was a homage to old Sci-Fi serials, just like Indiana Jones was a homage to action adventure serials.  Even if that is what he intended, they were written with such broad strokes that it wasn't slapping you over the head with its message and could be enjoyed by all.  The new one was incredibly amateurish.

No one plays with toys?  Lol, boy that's quite the excuse.  I guess the toy market has changed SO much from TFA and RO, which only came out 1-2 years before TLJ.  Come on, man.  And 1 aisle?  There's still like 6-8 aisles in every Walmart dedicated to toys.  Oh, and toy sales were actually up last year slightly, even with the poor performance of SW toys.

Marvel has so many genres?  Again, come on.  Marvel has a formula they follow for pretty much all of their films.  They also take great pains to make sure that most of them feel and look very similar.  The difference is they are making movies that don't piss off about half of their fans. 

Pretty telling that Black Panther, a standalone Marvel film, is going to easily pass TLJ at the DBO, and is going to either come incredibly close to it or even pass it WW.  Again, the movie where the safe bet was for it to enter the Top 3 (most likely #2) with $750M-$830M, and stay there for years/decades to come.  And make $1.7B-$1.8B WW, entering the Top 5 at #4, to stay there for years/decades to come.  Instead it won't enter the Top 5 DBO, and will be pushed to #7 by BP, with 2-3 years before it is pushed out of the Top 10.  And it is going to most likely top out at #9 WW, and could get pushed out of the Top 10 this year.

Toys R' Us is going out of business, lol, go put some action figures in front of kids versus an iPad and see which one wins. Today's kids don't give a shit about toys. What's the newest action figure craze? They still sell the same shit I had when growing up (Transformers, Star Wars, Spider-Man, Batman, Ninja Turtles) .... why? Because there hasn't been a "new action figure toy craze" in like 20+ years. At least we had He-Man and Thundercats too. 

Black Panther is a legit phenomenon, Star Wars nerds don't hold some precedent over that. 5 straight weeks at no.1 for Black Panther, there's only 5 films in the last 25 years that have managed that (Titanic, Avatar, The Sixth Sense, The Fugitive, and now Black Panther). 

Marvel's had a few missteps, Thor 2 was ass, Avengers: Age of Ultron dissapointed some people, Thor 3 is too funny for some, Iron Man 2 and 3 were both kinda shit. The difference is Marvel fans don't cry if they movies do something they don't want them to. 

James Cameron has beaten the crap out of Star Wars several times over with a chick flick on a boat and a left wing-tree-hugger eco-action film. E.T. wrecked both Empire and Jedi in the 80s, not even close. Titanic ran over the mega-hyped Star Wars Episode I. In the 2000s, Spider-Man 1/2 kicked the shit out of Star Wars Episode II or III. Avatar is way above Star Wars VII or VIII and Marvel as a whole is probably more popular in the 2010s. So that's the 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s where Star Wars hasn't ruled the roost.  

Star Wars arguably hasn't been king of anything since the original one in 1977, sorry Star Wars fanboys. Sit down and shut up for a while. It's an overrated franchise relative to the amount of attention it gets, all the films have been flawed in some major ways since 1980 onwards and some (Attack of the Clones) are just downright awful. 

You want to actually post some facts, instead of just conjecture trying to excuse less than steller sales?  Toy sales were up 1% in 2017.  Even with the disappointing sales of SW toys and the closing of Toys R' Us, which had to do with people shopping elsewhere and poor management, NOT poor toy sales. 

Black Panther is doing great at the BO, but let's not act like the #1 for 5 weeks is the important part, as that is mostly due to less competition.  Had a big movie opened in the last week or two, it still would have done great, but it wouldn't be #1.  At this point in its life, TFA had already made $852.3M compare to BP's $605.4M.  Of course, BP just helps prove that $600M+ isn't quite as impossible as some thought it would be to get, just as an excuse for TLJ's performance.

Cry?  Lol, more insults.  Anyway, no, it's not about crying.  It's about Marvel actually not shitting all over their characters and fans.  If they did something to actually piss off their fanbase enough, then yes, you would hear a lot of "crying."  There is a lot of crossover between SW and MCU fans. 

I also love the attempt to downplay the franchise and insult its fans, when the only reason you do that is you loved this installment and can't stand that many of the fans did not and the much lower than expected numbers prove it.  Yes, a few event films have been able to outperform the good ones, but let's see a series consistently outperform it.  Really, the only one that I can think of is the MCU.  Personally, thanks to Disney's handling of the property, MCU has probably passed it as the largest film franchise, both in terms of ticket and toy sales.

Last edited by thismeintiel - on 18 March 2018