Final-Fan said:
o_O.Q said:
"I agreed that they adapted FROM wings INTO flippers."
(1) so they are adapted wings?
"I grant your point that in the present day there is no living continuum of creatures leading gradualistically from elephants to fish. "
(2) that wasn't my point, which was that fish and elephants having a common ancestor is not at all relevant, since we are talking about present time
do you understand the concepts past, present and future? linear time?
(3) " You seem to have granted my point that when considering both the present and the past, including the very distant past, there has been a living continuum of creatures leading gradualistically from elephants to fish"
what? are you now claiming that elephants evolved into fish?
(4) " Since there is a continuum of creatures, each infinitesimally different from the next, connecting elephants to fish, where you see the natural, strict group distinctions separating one creature from another infinitesimally different one, separating mother from child even? "
we do so with the concept called "present time"
do you understand what present time means?
when we consider your height for example, you grew over time to your current height
does the fact that you gradually over time increased in height have any relevance to what your current height is?
if someone said "well i'm on a height continuum from a foot at birth to 6 feet now so i guess i can't really answer what my height is" that would be stupid right?... well that's your argument in a nutshell
(5) "The fact that they are differentiable today"
thanks for conceding my point
"I dumbed down the logic"
what logic? you just conceded my point above
i mean i only really bothered with this convo from the start to see how far you'd twist yourself just to have an argument and its been amusing
(6) "Where do you draw the line between the atmosphere and outer space?"
the boundary occurs where atmospheric pressure reaches zero... that's why we call it "space" to begin with
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0. I now believe you are intentionally trolling, but I'll play this out a little while longer. Please pay attention to the numbers since they changed.
1. No, your term "adapted wings" is pointless. It means nothing more than "they don't have wings, but their ancestors did".
2. Yes, I do.
3. No, that isn't even remotely close to what I am arguing. You aren't even in the ballpark of describing the concept. Go back and reread carefully, and take note of the parts you fail to understand. Let me know what parts are beyond your comprehension.
4. Okay, so someone was 1 foot tall at birth and they are 6 feet tall now. I think it would be fair to say that you were short when you were 1 foot tall, and let's say 6 feet tall counts as "tall". Do you think it would be possible to identify the exact moment they stopped being "short" and began being "tall"? I.e., 17 years 3 months 23 days old? Or is there a fuzzy area? Would you say these are just groups humans use to help categorize the world around them and "short" and "tall" are not "natural strict groups"
5. You're welcome, but that's not the only claim you've made.
6. So, for example, you would say that the International Space Station is not in space?
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"I now believe you are intentionally trolling, but I'll play this out a little while longer."
"No, your term "adapted wings" is pointless."
so why did you agree that they have adapted wings yourself multiple times?
"what? are you now claiming that elephants evolved into fish?"
"No, that isn't even remotely close to what I am arguing."
"there has been a living continuum of creatures leading gradualistically from elephants to fish"
uh... ok, if you say so
" Do you think it would be possible to identify the exact moment they stopped being "short" and began being "tall""
is irrelevant to their current height which is 6 feet... wtf
do you not understand that present time is a different concept to a time range? you seem to be incapable of differentiating the two
"but that's not the only claim you've made."
i've only really made two points... and so far you've conceded both multiple times...
" So, for example, you would say that the International Space Station is not in space? "
are you having difficulty with the concept of atmospheric pressure now? all it is referring to is the measure of the magnitude of the force of air pressing on an object at a particular altitude
the magnitude of this force reduces the further away from the earth's surface an object gets until eventually it falls to zero ( i think i'm wrong here its probably near zero ) at a certain distance away from the earth's surface
what does any of this have to do with the ISS?
