Aura7541 said:
Sorry for the delayed response, but my "unsound" assumption isn't exactly unfounded when you tend to do stuff like this: "I've demonstrated that there exists tournaments that don't have grid girls. That alone proves that grid girls aren't necessary. It's not complicated. Formula racing tournaments that don't have grid girls exist. Thus Grid girls aren't necessary to have a formula 1 tournament. You can try and spin all you like, but that's a fact." The bolded and underlined may have similar meanings, but the bolded lacked the indefinite article. "Grid girls aren't necessary" =/= "Grid girls aren't necessary to have a formula 1 tournament". The former implies that grid girls aren't necessary in all tournaments. And to bring up another example I already showed earlier: "Once again - I haven't said that grid girls don't provide any financial benefit. (I also never claimed that WEC scrapped grid girls due to declining revenue - I never said anything to suggest that). They probably do provide some financial benefit (though neither of us has any data on that). But I have shown that the possible financial benefit of having grid girls is not a necessity. It's an option, but not absolutely necessary. Wether financial contributions from grid girls were declining or increasing doesn't change that fact." The underlined is a rather different tune from what we have agreed on. It would be a different story if you added "in a formula 1 tournament" at the end of the sentence, but you didn't. Your statement afterwards, particularly "whether financial contributions from grid girls were declining or increasing doesn't change that fact" also led me to believe that you concluded that the financial benefit is not a necessity in any case since it didn't matter if their financial contributions are going up or down. Even if they do go up, they are still not a necessity by your standards. Fast forward to now, you admit that Formula E and NASCAR employ grid girls because they deem them necessary business-wise, which would make their financial contributions necessary. And I wouldn't be surprised if I am able to find more instances like these two if I were to review our conversation in its entirety. Anyways, whether you want to admit it or not, I did manage to change your opinion throughout your conversation even if I did make a handful of mistakes. That was more of my tertiary goal, but hey, I won't complain. Also, it's pretty funny that I initially pointed out that there would potentially be less grid girl positions and here we are. You took the conversation in a whole other direction and I decided to go down the rabbit hole for the amusement. Needless to say, I was definitely not disappointed. Since you seem to be itching to have the last word, go right on ahead. |
I rephrased my arguments to match your definition of "absolutely necessary", which seems to be "contributes to profit" (regardless of amount as well). I don't agree on that definition, however I can acknowledge that by that definition, then the limited evidence we have suggests they are necessary for NASCAR et. al.
Of course, you could always have some hypothetical tournament like "Formula Racing tournament with grid girls", and such a tournament would never be possible without grid girls, thus grid girls can never be uneccesary for absolutely all formula racing tournaments, regardless of what definition for "absolutely necessary" you go by. I just didn't thought I had to specify "no absolutely all" each and every time. I thought it was self explanatory. Apparently not though, and I can take the blame for that - I didn't express my opinions clearly enough for you to understand them. That is demonstrably true.
As for replying to you, that's sort of a catch 22, especially with how you ended your reply. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If you feel some sense of victory because you feel like you've changed my opinion - enjoy that feeling.
We've both spent considerable amount of time debating, without said debating changing anything notable about our lives, but that isn't really different from anything else on VGC. But I'm glad you weren't dissapointed - I had fun too.
Last edited by Teeqoz - on 24 February 2018
