DonFerrari said:
Teeqoz said:
What? I only speak for myself on the first "objective statement"? Which one was that? I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. Is it the "I don't see the use of female models in a motorsport tournament" statement? I've never claimed that is an objective stateme, it explicitly states "I don't see". In fact I've told you several times that that was a subjective statement (as if that was necessary).
Seriously, what is it you are referring to here?
I said it was sufficient for F1. If my sentence had ended after sufficient, you'd have a point, but it didn't. Did F1 make the decision to get rid of grid girls based on pressure from external groups? Yes. Ergo that external group was sufficiently large (large enough) to get F1 to make that decision. We don't need an empirical measure on how large that group is, beause my statement was that it was large enough that F1 made that decision. Which it neccesarily is, since F1 made that decision.
We have an empirical measure of that - did F1 decide to remove grid girls? The empirical answer is yes. Ergo the group opposing grid girls was sufficiently large to get F1 to decide to remove grid girls. I thought that was self-evident? It's a logical necessity.
I have empirical evidence proving that grid girls aren't absolutely necessary for either:
F1 decided to get rid of grid girls. Ergo they aren't absolutely necessary, not for business, nor for the sport.
Further evidence: The world endurance championship got rid of grid girls in 2015. Conclusion - grid girls are not absolutely neccesary, anyway you cut it. Do they provide some benefit? Possibly, but that benefit is empirically non-essential as several formula racing tournaments don't have them.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/wec-getting-rid-of-grid-girls-for-all-events-including-le-mans/
Let me get this straight - do you think grid girls are absolutely necessary to have a formual racing tournament? Can you not have a formula racing tournament without grid girls?
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Using the absolutely necessary is quite a problem, because you could also argue that pilots aren't absolutely necessary (as you can have it by GPS navigation or someone outside the cockpit driving) or that the power isn't absolutely necessary since they had less than 200bhp under the hood way back.
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Are there any current Formula racing tournaments that don't have powerful cars, and/or no drivers? (FYI, I'm sure computer controlled F1 racing will be a thing eventually. We already have computer chess championships. And with computer/remote controlled cars, you don't have to worry as much about safety regulations, so things can be much faster.)
There are current Formula racing tournaments that don't have grid girls though. They also aren't economically necessary - for any tournament to survive, there must be some factor that makes it financially viable (wether that's sponsorship revenue, viewership revenue, or even donations). Thus evidently grid girls aren't an economic necessity. They may provide an economic benefit, but not an absolutely necessary one.
