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LurkerJ on 18 February 2018
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Goatseye said:
LurkerJ said:

An excellent post, I agree with a lot of it.

EVERYONE did something to sway the elections, the democracy of the west is swayed by autocrats of the east and money. This is how it is set up, to be whored and bought by the highest bidder. Anyone with extra cash and enough power can and will sway elections & policies around the world (and why wouldn't they?). News channels like CNN and FOX news report the news in a biased manner to sway elections and opinions, so does Al-Jazzera. You're naive af if you think countries like Qatar & Saudi Arabia will sit on astronomical amounts of cash and sit idly by and not try to have their teeth in sunk into your democratically elected president, and it doesn't stop there. You have lobbyists doing the bidding of governments and corporates around the world affecting internal and foreign policies. Non of this was viewed an attack on US sovereignty, until crooked Hillary lost. 

You don't make sense at all. Lobbying policies is not the same as interfering to change the outcome of people's vote.
And use crooked on people convicted of something. Like Trump when he got fined $10.000.000 by FinCen for not complying with anti-money laundering policies. Or have his kids do the bidding on his crooked real state business and have Attorney General of NY drop fraud charges against Ivanka and Don Jr.

No one "hacked" the election, everyone interfered or tried to "sway" it though, that's undeniable.

Giant corporates (who are only looking after themselves) & foreign governments effects on policies of the USA is what matters in the end, the means by which those effects can be achieved are endless. Be it helping a certain a candidate during elections, working with congressmen and lobbyists, or funding news channels to spread propagandas and fake news.

You can call Trump and his children crooked all you want, I am not a fan of him or the ones before him. Just because I find the narrative against Russia ridiculous and biased, it doesn't mean I am defending Trump.

Not to mention, the USA proudly interferes in everyone's business everywhere, Hillary would've taken that interference to the next level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvl1zCOrU0, you can't possibly defend Hillary's claim to the throne and be mad the Russians successfully swayed the elections to the candidate of their choice in the same breath.