The Russian Debate

[Final-Fan]

McDonaldsGuy said:

Final-Fan said:

1.  Maybe you missed it, but after "09-12" there was something that sort of happened in Crimea and it kind of upset some people.  There were sanctions and stuff. 

2.  The "reset" failed ... what's your point? 

3.  I'm not even sure what it is you're trying to insinuate here ... that Obama rigged the 2012 election?  That he was making promises as to where his "flexibility" would extend to?  That sitting Presidents should not negotiate with foreign powers? 

I personally interpret this as basically Obama saying "the elections are causing politics to get in the way of my actions, we'll talk later".  That is nothing like the allegations against Trump. 

1. Russia invaded Georgia in 2008.

2. If Obama was a threat, why couldn't he see this? He was our Commander-in-Chief. Was he stupid or something?

3. Obama said it on a hot mic. If it was so innocent why was it said on a hot mic? You know what else was said on a hot mic? "You can do anything. Grab em by the P." You know why it was said on a hot mic? Because saying it live would be a BAD thing.

4. Where is the proof Russians hacked the DNC? Why is it that during TWO initial DNC server investigations, none mentioned Russian hacking? One of them was after Bernie tried to steal Hillary Clinton's voter data (remember that?). The servers were investigated and attempts by Russian hacking were not mentioned.

Until magically Trump was starting to look like he could win. Just a coincidence, of course! At the time (June 2016) Democrats didn't care if it made them look stupid as long as it could politically hurt Trump.

This Russian crap is more partisan than Iraq WMDs. It's the same BS - no facts, just lies.

1,2.  You have no point, and certainly no relevant point.  Please at least try to stay on topic instead of veering off into the nearest zinger. 

3.  Let me spell it out for you.  Obama is saying, "if I negotiate about this topic now, Republicans will accuse me of sucking Russian dick.  Wait until after the elections."  Yes, that is something he would rather not have said live.  No, that isn't even remotely similar to the accusations against Trump.  In fact, it's the opposite:  the Trump campaign is accused of NOT waiting until after the elections to start doing things with Russia. 

4.  No, in fact I do not remember when Bernie tried to steal Clinton's voter data. 

If it's all BS and lies, how come Trump campaign officials have PLEADED GUILTY to improper dealings with foreign nationals and lying about their activities?