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xMetroid on 12 February 2018
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thismeintiel said:
xMetroid said:

 

In what world are you living, all over the internet there is clickbait news about TLJ being a disappointed and a catastrophe. Yes TLJ is having a bigger drop but you also have to take the fact there was NO WAY a Star Wars movie is going to do as well as TFA since it was a major major comeback. Of course EpIV had a smaller drop because it was the second Star Wars. People went to see TFA as for nostalgia. You also have to take the fact we are getting a Star Wars movie every year now and that maybe some people waited for the Solo movie instead or were tired of the franchise after TFA and Rogue one. Each previous movies were released 3 years after the other, which really give people time to actually want to see a new Star Wars movie again. Now it's 2 years apart the main movies but 1 each year and another 1 6 months after TLJ. 

 

Again, Ep1 was hated by mostly everyone but for TLJ, the GP and some fans LOVED the movie. Of course the fraction that hated the movie is the most active online but it's always like that, people won't yell on every site that they liked a movie which is the case of the other way around.

Don't use the ticket inflation argument on me, we all know most franchises are down because of that compared to before when there was little to no competition and movie theatres were way more popular. And again, count in the fact we are getting 4 SW movies in 3 years and a half compare to 2 in the past. People have to make a decisions. Also the bad press the movie has received (which idk how you aren't aware of it) probably made some people choose another movie instead since it was basically everywhere on social media. 

 

Episode 2 isn't the most hated of all time at all. Ep1 is. And TLJ is an amazing movie, just not satisfying enough for a part of the fanbase, that's completely different. 

Toy sales dropping can also be a cause of the "it's impossible to be as big as TFA" effect. The marketing around a new SW in like 10 years was huge just like it was with Ep1 (which could have been bigger if the movie was better). The fans that hated the movie are (hopefully) not the reason why the toys aren't selling.

The real world.  And from all the stories I looked at, the majority of them were praising its performance and explaining away its poor reviews and legs.  Forbes, and maybe a few smaller sites, were the only ones really bringing up how poorly it was doing outside of opening weekend. 

And why use a strawman?  Who said anything about doing as well as TFA?  Of course, such a feat is not impossible, but no one was expecting it.  No, they were expecting a WW gross of $1.7B-$1.8B, which is less than TFA's $2.07B, just so you know.  Even the lower end was $1.65B.  Then, that huge dropoff came as disappointed fans didn't go watch it a second time.  Even still, analysts were predicting it would still hit ~$1.6BWW and ~$750M DBO.  Even the worst case scenario BMO suggested would have meant it hitting $1.45B.  Now, it's not even going to hit that.

Don't use the inflation argument?  Why?  Because that makes the film's performance look worse?  And no, franchise fatigue nor inflation are causing franchises to be down.  I mean tell that to Marvel, that keeps doing better with each sequel.  And they're starting to put out 3 films a year, now.  Hell, we also just had a sequel, that no one really asked for, of Jumanji that is greatly outperforming the original, even including inflation.  The point is, people will come to your movie, it just has to be good and not piss on a lot of the fans of the series.

No, Ep 2 is the most hated.  I think you're allowing your personal bias to enter your argument.  Ep 2 performed the worse and has worse ratings.  And many would disagree on how "amazing" TLJ was.  It dropped similarly to Ep2, so that should tell you something.  Also, toys sales dropping includes being lower than even RO, a spinoff.  And of course it is because of those fans the toys and other merch aren't selling as well.  If you don't like the movie, you're not going to buy toys and merch with that movie on it.

 

Yes there is a part of the drop because of some backlash, but my point is some fans are so happy like they are the only reason this is happening while we already saw a big drop with Rogue One ,meh it was not a main movie, but still it didn't perform near as well with everything a Star Wars movie is and was super well received by fans, so why didn't the movie made 2 billions if the fans liked it ? Cause the GP control BY FAR the revenu. I only think the backlash from fans might have made a u-turn to some movie goers while reading critics online.

 

And my point on inflation is it makes every movie look bad or almost, again, there were much less competition before and it's totally incomparable. Also, Hollywood doesn't like using inflation for that reason, it's not like I'm alone thinking that way. You can't compare to totally different periods together like that. Marvel isn't the same exact case cause the movies are all super different and you clearly see that most people only go see Avengers which happens like every 3 years and makes well over a billion while movies like Thor that has the best reviews in the franchise yet, 2 big mascot in it and super duper market barely made the 850 million. You can also point out that even tho the market for super hero movie is far bigger and can, that way, make more movies come to life, you can't ignore the fact the DCEU can barely fit in it. The DCEU movies that are true to their universe are making good profits even if the movies are bad, but once they try making it funny like the MCU, there is just too much of it already and the profits point out to saturation of the market.

And are you ignorant ? Go anywhere you want, Episode I is the one with the worst critics and reviews. Metacritic, RottenTomatoes, Fan listing, IMDB, Google. It's not by much, but honestly the impact after release was far worst with Ep1 then Ep2.

 

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Btw I'm just going to say that the TLJ backlash is so stupid. The movie is super well made, YES there were some arguable choices made with Luke and the Force but that's literally it. Some fans saying it's one of the worst movie of all time are just angry nerds that lives for conspiracy theories and they didn't get their predictions right about whether the parents of Rey or whatever else they were hoping for. I'm a huge Star Wars fan but only from recently, so I've seen all the past movies at the same time and I can really say that not only the Prequels are hated for stupid reasons, but that the Star Wars fanbase is one of the worst I've ever seen. You can't have 1 thing different or they will cry. Like KK would literally be making the original trilogy over and over again if she was listening to the backlash. But what do I saw online ? People were MAD about Ep7 being too similar. This is fucking hilarious to me. Like let's face it, there will never be another original Star Wars movie that will please most of the fans. And honestly TLJ is one of my favorite episode but to me the only critic I have towards it is nothing really happens and everything is too vague. It's like Ryan didn't want to make any decision and just let the story hanging there except he wanted Luke to go which is literally the worst thing he could do as taking position in the Story. But overall, movie is amazingly shot, well written and good.

Last edited by xMetroid - on 12 February 2018