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A_C_E said:
thismeintiel said:

Yea, the arrogance of Disney astounds me.  Not only do they give the 2nd installment of a new trilogy in the largest franchise in movie history to "some guy," but also greenlight a new trilogy he can do anything with BEFORE the movie is even out?  It just shows you that Disney, or at least Kathleen Kennedy, was more worried about pushing their own agendas within the SW universe than they were about making good films that would please the vast majority of fans and make a ton of cash on repeat viewings and toy sales.  I mean, I seriously think Rian Johnson got the job when he promised them to push those messages, as well as fill the movie with toy bait, and Disney or Kennedy figured those SW nerds would come no matter what they put on the screen. 

Well, it didn't work.  Not only are they massively down from TFA, ~$315M DBO/~740M WW, but they are performing even worse than the worst case scenario.  When it launched, BOM said that $750-$830M DBO was the safe bet, meaning it possibly could have done more.  Even using the safe bet, and using 54.5% for FBO (which is slightly less than TFA), WW people were expecting this to do $1.65B on the low end and $1.82B on the high end, with a possibility of it doing a little more.  After the 68% drop in the 2nd weekend, analysts were still expecting it to hit ~$1.6B WW, stating the main reason for the drop was the holidays.  That turned out wrong. 

So, what was the worse case scenario?  A 3x multiplier like Avengers saw, which would have led to a DBO of $661.3M and a WW of $1.45B.  It's going to end up ~$40M below that in the DBO and ~$120M below that WW.  That's not even taking into account that toy/merch sales are down, even when compared to when RO, a spinoff, came out.  A lot of fans are not happy.  I know I am no longer watching any more SW movies in the theater, unless I get in for free.

So, yea, I think Disney better rethink giving Rian Johnson full control going forward.  He's good on a visual level, but story telling, especially when its not his own lore to fuck with, he is very poor.  Not only did he give us a shitty send off to Luke, pretty much ruin any character development for the new ones established in TFA, and a scene straight out of any generic Disney flick (the Casino), but he also made it so future installments have to explain away why no one just lightspeeds through another craft to end the battle.  Also hilarious how the movie that told us to forget the past cause its not that great, and look to the future (I guess for more shitty Johnson installments), is immediately followed by the Han Solo prequel.

Kathleen Kennedy pushing agendas? Kathleen Kennedy's job is to maintain the cash flow through IP's in a socially relevant manner, not push "agendas". The only thing worse than an SJW is a conspiracy theorist with no evidence to back up their claims. If you honestly think Kathleen Kennedy is more worried about pushing "agendas" than making BOAT loads of money with some of the greatest and most recognizable movies in history (which she has, seriously, she's on another level) then.....cool story.

LOL. The Force is female? The on the nose messages in TLJ? Sorry, but there is no conspiracy theory here. Either you choose to be blind to it, or you just agree with those messages, so don't mind them being shoehorned intoa series that never needed them. Part of the reason it fell so hard was because people not liking those messages. Hell, even some people who agree with them hated them being so childishly inserted into the film.