Final-Fan said:
DarthVolod said:
Correct, it was not within Obama's power to do so. Trump from my understanding is more open to a path to citizenship in relationship to DACA, he even indicated as much in tweets if I recall correctly. The trade off for this would be funding border security and taking steps to control immigration.
Giving the DACA group a permanent status would allow them to sponsor other family members like parents and siblings. This is different from the status quo ... the status quo is that if you entered the country illegally (which the parents of many of the DREAMers fall in this category) you must leave and apply from abroad). They would now have the DREAMers to sponsor them ... this would lead to a quantitative difference although not immediately. Chain migration is part of the status quo yes ... but that does not apply here since we are talking about a group of people that can not currently utilize it.
My understanding is that attempts to curb chain migration in general are an attempt to redirect those numbers to a different more stringent qualification system and path to citizenship.
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"4 million more based on chain migration"
Your "by the numbers" claim that Trump was helping 6 million people vs. 2 million people was entirely based on the chain migration which—under the proposal—would just be the same as under Obama, and therefore Trump's proposal would not be "better than anything Obama ever offered" where chain migration is concerned.
Where the DACA group is concerned, it could only be better, I contend, with the cooperation of Congress. Congress wouldn't go along with it when Obama was in office, but it's hypothetically possible that they would if a Republican prez could take the credit. So Trump's proposal would be "better than Obama" in the sense that Trump, unlike Obama, could get a Republican Congress to pass it. Like I said before.
And if you're saying it would be better in the sense that ex-DACA legalized immigrants could apply to the chain migration system ... yes, it would also be better in this very marginal sense. This would be included in the previous point.
Any disagreement?
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Currently, those protected by DACA can not bring in family members through chain migration. My understanding of the offer Trump made was to provide a path to citizenship for the 800,000 or so DACA who can then bring in potentially 3-4 people each or more via chain migration. This could not be done under Obama's DACA because it didn't offer citizenship; it just prevented them from being deported / allowed them to work.
This is my understanding of the law unless I am mistaken. So it is a quantitative and qualitative difference from what Obama was doing.
