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VGPolyglot said:
sc94597 said:

My socialism mainly derives from my anarchism. I want to abolish capitalism because I want to abolish rulers (and the means by which they come to rule), consequently there are non-anarchist socialists that I find to be quite dogmatic and authoritarian which make it hard to associate with the label. 

 

This also reflects in how I associate with others politically. I am confortable and can see the value of all forms anarchism, each ome attempts to criticise and warn against a different hierarchy, but state-socialists just lose me because their reasons for supporting socialism seem off.

Even if we talk about non-Marxists, the fabians, Christian Socialists, etc all seem to have some very nationalistic views. In fact, in the U.S nationalism very much originated among early socialists.

What?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bellamy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

"Francis Bellamy was a leader in the public education movement, the nationalist movement, and the Christian socialist movement. He united his grassroots network to start a collective memory activism in 1892."

"Bellamy's vision of a harmonious future world inspired the formation of at least 165 "Nationalist Clubs" dedicated to the propagation of Bellamy's political ideas and working to make them a practical reality"

Francis is responsible for the pledge of allegiance which incorporated the Roman salute. His cousin Edward was responsible for Nationalist clubs.

 

Before the nationalist movement most Americans were local-minded, communitarian, and individualistic. These socialists were nationalists because they thought the nation-state and nationalization were the best means to reform. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 09 February 2018