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I invite you to read through it.
Shadow1980 said:
Nearly $600 million domestic (far more than AotC, RotS, and Rogue One made lifetime), and $1.3 billion globally isn't what I'd call "faltering." That's a massive success by any standard. Failing to replicate the success of TFA is not a strike against TLJ. TFA clearly over-performed, and nothing should be expected to replicate it. Kinda like how we shouldn't expect any console to replicate the success of the PS2, or a handheld to replicate the success of the DS. |
Any competent business endeavor not only seeks to profit but also maximize profit made but as I'm sure you know, TLJ has been subject to considerable backlash. Surely this could have hurt potential repeat viewings and must cause some worry for Disney as they plan to make sequels, spin-offs, and sell merchandise? If a large amount of people hate the film, that's a threat to Disney's related and future efforts.
Shadow1980 said:
I pretty much agree with what you've had to say in this thread. I really don't have much more to add. There really isn't anything miraculous about Rey. There's nothing about her non-Force abilities that cannot be explained by even a cursory examination of her background. While the movies don't fully touch on everything, more is explained in ancillary materials like novels (Before the Awakening mentions she regularly uses a flight simulator program she found, which combined with her obvious familiarity with the Falcon in the movie showed that she wasn't any more wet behind the ears than Anakin or Luke were when it came to piloting). Her successes make sense in context, and she has failed on multiple occasions and clearly exhibits shortcomings (e.g., aggression, recklessness, difficulty resisting the Dark Side). As for her Force abilities, well "There's been an awakening." Both Rey and Ben are part of a new generation of powerful Force users, and even that kid at the end of TLJ casually uses the Force to pull a broom to himself, presumably despite lacking any real training. It just came naturally to him. Rey isn't some flawless character. The idea that she's some sort of Mary Sue is a huge exaggeration that relies on a lot of jumping through hoops to justify (e.g., "Kylo being shot in the gut by a bowcaster, taking another injury from Finn, and being an emotional wreck after killing his dad on top of that doesn't count in his duel with Rey because reasons. She should have lost, period!"). |
I invite you to read the response I had for superchunk: in brief, I'm sure you can explain all of Rey's abilities but this doesn't change the fact that she has these abilities that essentially help her navigate the dangers about her with little trouble. The potential suspense in the film suffers as a result.
You bring up Kylo losing to Rey and I can't help but pity the huge potential lost in that portion of TFA.
Kylo should have won to help reinforce his power and level of danger. Even with the blood loss and emotional instability, he was still able to seriously hurt Rey who I remind you only recently discovered the force.
Instead, even when he was healthy, Rey was able to overcome and turn Kylo's mind probe against him... Lame. No tension, just about any time Kylo shows up, Rey makes him look he's in easy mode.
