Global Hardware 23 December 2017

[DonFerrari]

Biggerboat1 said:

DonFerrari said:

1) Nope, I didn't said if Zelda was a Sony game it would be criticized by its story, you must have misunderstood something, I said it wouldn't look up to par with the likes of HZD. And that HZD wasn't able to sell as good as Zelda, so no reason to affirm that if Zelda was made on PS4 it would sell greater and etc. None of the games you listed have sales near Zelda so not sure what you are talking about.

My first point on this was quite simple, you said that if Zelda was an IP on Sony... and answered saying that we have an equivalent in HZD and it didn't better than Zelda, but Zelda would look inferior graphically.

2) Yes GC had more diversity on the style than what they used in Wii, WiiU and so far in Switch. So you have stopped saying the art direction is cohesive on Nintendo.

3) Nope, you are doing a fallacy. Saying Metacritic don't determine quality isn't the same as saying the probability of a game under 50 being better than one over 90 is 50/50.

4) My problem? You have a problem on accepting Nintendo Bias as real instead of factual quality.

5) Not mine classification, VGC classification. What was your classification? In what genre RE4 are with Eternal Darkness?

And yes I done your work for you, I have found 2 genres per VGC where a 3rd party outsold Nintendo (although as I said, I have no idea why Zelda wasn't on RPG as well)

Again, please go and compare the genre dominance on Nintendo versus Sony and MS if you still don't believe on the bias.

1) I didn't misunderstand - you said:

"If Zelda was released on Sony it wouldn't have all the praises Nintendo fan give it, it would be a weak graphical game, the story would be bland, etc..."

First of all I made clear (several times) that if the game was on PS4 it would have it's visuals updated accordingly. Second of all, Zelda has a solid story though it's main strengths lie else where. So your supposition that it would fail to sell better than Horizon simply because of it's story is misguided. BOTW is considered the superior game, has the review scores and GOTY awards to prove it - that's why it would have likely sold better.

I listed those other games because they again contradict your belief that Sony games are all narratively driven.

2) I don't know what you're trying to say here... you said before:

"they have the same philosophy on art direction on Switch as they had on GC"

but now you're saying:

"Yes GC had more diversity on the style than what they used in Wii, WiiU and so far in Switch"

You're literally arguing with yourself!

3) Yes, saying Saying Metacritic don't determine quality IS the same as saying the probability of a game under 50 being better than one over 90 is 50/50. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

4) Ok then.

5) I'd say RE4 is more similar to Eternal Darkness than the games examples you listed, but whatever I don't agree with your supposition in the first place so it doesn't really matter how we define categories. All we've managed to conclude is that game sales on a Nintendo platform are more bias towards quality than on the other systems.

1) If visual upgrading accordingly you mean a higher polycount, texture, etc it would keep the same art direction philosophy, if it gone to photorealistic it wouldn't be near what any Zelda is. Story is bland compared to HZD that was the RPG being talked on the same sentence in case you missed. Nope I didn't even said it would sell worse than HZD (but since it would be a new IP that doesn't rely on Zelda name it could sell worse), what I said was that it would sell or be regarded as BoTZ because Sony have HZD that is a competent "equivalent" and it didn't got the sales and reception that Zelda had.

2) You picked some cases of "photorealism" on GC (that aren't present on the 3 other gens), which doesn't deny the focus from Nintendo since NES (even SNES had some photorealistic approach on DK and N64 with Golden Eye) still doesn't go out to say the norm on art direction from Nintendo isn't photorealistic and needing stronger HW

3) If your logic is that I can see why you have trouble accepting the rest. Next if I say your grade on a subject in school doesn't determine your inteligence you are going to ask me to pick some people that have only 10's  and some others that have only 5's and see if the probability of someone smart is the same on both pools... when I'm arguing when you try to make it factual that metacritic of 95 is certainly better than 90.... but you run from this point as soon as I put one game (it could have been others) that have a score better than all but 4 games on the entire WiiU catalogue.

5) Yes sure, say the unbiased person.