| Mandalore76 said: 1. Han didn't "shoot down" Darth Vader's custom TIE. He shot down one of Darth Vader's wingmen. Vader's other wingman flew into Vader's TIE which crippled it and sent it spiraling away from the battle. 2. By the way, Han Solo wasn't some petty criminal out of his league against combat veterans. He was a seasoned smuggler and expert pilot in his own right. 3. Also, Han Solo didn't blow up the 2nd Death Star. He brought the shields down on Endor so that Lando Calrissian and Nien Numb could lead a squadron of X-Wing to destroy it. Luke was not the sole survivor of the first Death Star battle. I don't know if any other X-Wings fought in the battle that didn't make Death Star trench runs. But for sure, one of Luke's wingmen, Wedge, pulls out of the trench and survived to participate in the 2nd Death Star battle. 4. (...painting 2 Death Stars on his X-Wing taking credit for both kills) 5. Also, it's established in the film that Luke piloted a T-16 Skyhopper on Tattoine (he plays with a model of it early in the film), and that he has experience bullseye targets (womprats) that are no bigger than 2 meters in size. 6. The fact that Obi Wan coaches him through his Death Star killing shot is bigger proof against him being a Mary Sue than for. |
1. That is correct, but I am still going to credit Han for shooting down Vadar's TIE. He shot it down indirectly, but he still shot it down.
2. Even still, he was a scoundrel by profession, not a fighter pilot. Anakin was one of the most decorated pilots in the Clone Wars. Darth Vadar's skills, reputation and feats far, far eclipse Han's. And I say this as I reiterate that Han's accomplishments as a pilot eclipse Rey's.
3. Yes, I was wrong on these counts. I edited up some corrections; thanks for pointing out my errors.
4. WOW. That is a dick move.
5. But that's still not combat experience. The Death Star run was his first combat mission as a pilot. Shooting vermin and dogfighting in the airspace (spacespace?) of an enemy base are very, very different scenarios.
6. I am not trying to make a case for him being a Mary Sue, only that his accomplishments as a pilot overshadow Rey's (which they certainly do).
