Global Hardware 23 December 2017

[Biggerboat1]

DonFerrari said:

The_Liquid_Laser said:
PS4 only won in Europe and still came out first worldwide. It seems like Europeans really love the PS4 or they really hate the Switch.

Although, I'd bet the real factor is the Switch is still a little too pricey in Europe and they will warm up once the price comes down.

I swear I heard that winning only in Europe and losing in the rest would make a WW loss...

Biggerboat1 said:

For a start, I'm not talking about Sony, I'm talking about Nintendo, so making points about Sony's studios 'cohesive' approach is irrelevant - though I struggle to find a common thread between, say, Gran Turismo, The Last of Us, The Last Guardian, Ratchet & Clank & Little Big Planet for instance - can you?

Re. Zelda, a game can be more than one thing. It's about exploration and has a story - not really seeing your point here...

All opinions are biased and mine are biased towards quality game design - others are biased by things such as a manufacturer's logo... what's your point?

You can wait for me to show you an example of a 3rd party game outselling a Nintendo game on a Nintendo system as long as you like - because it doesn't prove anything... because a 3rd party developer doesn't need to outsell Nintendo to have a successful game or to prove that their games can sell on the system...

Also, why would a 3rd party game outsell a Nintendo game when historically, the majority of them are under-funded, cheap ports flung together by their B-teams... Please actually consider what you're writing before clicking 'submit'.

The quality & resources put into PS or MS 3rd party games ≠ quality & resources put into those on Switch - far, far, far from it...

Anyway, I can see this going round in circles while you create more irrelevant hurdles for me to jump over in order to prove unrelated points.

You were already pointed to the cohesion on the approach to a high fidelity look, graphical prowess and narrative games. Your point was that Nintendo have several studios so their games can't share similarities, so I pointed you to another company that have several studios and still keep similarities.

Sure Zelda, the best story in gaming, and yes others have the wrong bias because you can clearly see quality while they only see a logo, are you for real?

Yes we are going in circles, for you someone that wouldn't buy a Switch because Nintendo games doesn't make their taste is a complete prove of hate and Bias because all Nintendo games are great and so people should like the games from Nintendo that are from the genres they like... at the same time Nintendo games are so much better than all rest that they must be more liked and sold than any in the same genre.

Your last paragraph introduces many false conclusions that only you are introducing, so I won't even bother responding to those points.

Gran Turismo is story driven? Rathcet & Clank & LBP are story driven? (I've not played those 2 but by the looks of them - doesn't seem like it...) Even the Last Guardian doesn't look particularly story driven, but again, could be wrong on that one.

So the 'cohesive approach' of Sony's Studios is 'high fidelity' and a 'focus on narrative' on some of it's catalogue... Do you know how many studios those 'approaches' would apply to? There's simply nothing unique there.

Nintendo puts just as much effort into 'graphical prowess', it's just that they are developing for much weaker hardware.

If Zelda had been released as a Sony IP, with visuals befitting the PS4, nobody would be saying - wow, this is so un-Sony... rather they'd be buying it in it's millions and giving it GOTY, just like on Switch.