Global Hardware 23 December 2017

[DonFerrari]

Biggerboat1 said:

Qwark said:

Every developer has a certain style for making games. Playstation and Nintendo are very far apart in that regard. Or the new bayonetta and the new god of war, as far as exclusives go. I can imagine someone enjoying let's say resident evil 4 but doesn't like the last of us.

 

Sony's style of games is way more presentation and story driven and tends to blur the line between cinema and game. While Nintendo puts 90% of their focus on gameplay and wave a story etc around that. Nintendo tjeir games will never try to blur lines between games and other media. There are always a few exceptions. But I can see someone enjoying nearly all Nintendo games and disliking near all Sony games or the other way around. It doesn't say much about the quality of the game, just your preferences for one or the other. I like Sony's approach more and I think odyssey is way to weird for me, although botw seems pretty cool, although I still don't like the artstyle.

The thing is, when you talk about Nintendo games, you're talking about games from many different teams & studios. 

Mario / Zelda / Pikmin / F-Zero / Xenobade / Starfox / Metroid Prime / Fire Emblem / Pokemon / Animal Crossing / Smash Bros / Mario Kart / DKC / Splatoon / etc. span a wide variety of genres, art-styles and 'feel' - so there is no single 'style' to be drawn to or put off by...

I simply don't buy that there's some common thread running through all of these games that can be identified and viewed negatively...

I can buy the the scenario that some gamers on other systems take the lazy approach and just assume everything on a Nintendo system is a variation on Mario and that they all look 'kiddie', which simply isn't the case...

If you want story then zelda, xenoblade, the next metroid prime, when it arrives - all have a shot at scratching that itch.

I like some Nintendo games and some aren't for me and I believe that this would be the case for 99% of gamers if they actually tried playing the games rather than immediately deciding that they're not for them...

Sony have dozen of Studios, still in several of their games on a lot of different genres you can see a cohesive direction, cinematic approach, that they look after even on several of theirs exclusivity deals.

And you are joking about Zelda being such a great story based game right? And here I was thinking it was an exploration game that you were to feel like you are link and are making your own story.

Biggerboat1 said:

DonFerrari said:

Exactly, but usually the more biased the person is and think he isn't think he has bias the more he thinks everyone else is biased by not seeing things like him.

How am I biased when I've openly stated that I'm sure I'd like some of Sony or MS's properties if owned their systems...?

I listen to quite a few gaming podcasts - Giant Beast Cast, IGN UK, Game Scoop, DLC, The Besties - most of the journalists involved have been in gaming for a long time and all are obviously passionate about the industry. Do you know how many of them have an aversion to Nintendo games in general? None.

Some of them are into some Nintendo properties more than others but that's natural & the only objective, unbiased view in my opinion.

That's because they just love gaming and are past the adolescent phase of supporting a games corporation like you do a football team...

There is no unbiased OPINION, opinions are all personal and biased by standard. At most you can try to portray an unbiased ANALYSIS based on DATA.

Keep judging man, you are totally getting to the point.

Still waiting for you to show how many (if any) genre, Nintendo have a hallmark game that is outsold inside their platform by a multiplat. Because even though Halo have been considered the best FPS in several outings CoD is close by in sales on Xbox, even Gran Turismo hold several times more sales than the other racers on PS1 to 3 and will probably do the same on PS4, but most of the MS and Sony 1st party have another 3rd party game that outsell them inside their own platform because guess what there are dozen of other great studios so one or another will be better than they at some genre or another.

So unless you can prove Nintendo games are the best in ALL GENRES if you can't show they being outsold by multiplats it clearly show the positive Bias for Nintendo that I have no idea you are trying to deny exist.

peachbuggy said:

DonFerrari said:

The problem with my argument is that you are only able to accept anti-Nintendo bias and not anti-3rd party Bias.

If you accept that from all developers some may have one or another game that is best than Nintendo offering, but the top sellers on Nintendo console are all Nintendo... and your claim of sports is a little weak since Nintendo can make and sell greatly Mario Tennis, Golfe, Basebal and Soccer.

I didn't say anything about what defines a success... but you said that considering Nintendo have games in all genres it's impossible to not like any of their games without prejudice and being a hater, but for you it's possible that no 3rd party can have a game that Nintendo doesn't have something in that genre that outsell it. Sorry to burst it for you, but Nintendo fans aren't better or worse than any other fan, and if you accept there is anti-Nintendo bias there is just as much pro-Nintendo bias and anti-3rd party Bias.

Unfortunately there were someone that discussed with me for like 2h that it made sense for Nintendo to produce 30M and only ship 25M, because parts could become unavailable or they would get a major discount for a higher bulk, no mater if that would mean 1.5B of inventory stopped on the manufacturing line and like 6 months of consumption on a slower month.

Oh yeh i saw that. I thought you was saying  it was what you thought Nintendo would do, when in all probability their manufacturing process would/will be flexible, dependant on demand, whatever the production quota is.

Nintendo is a smart company, perhaps they may have contract in place to secure 30M even if they think they can only ship 25M just in case their projections are underestimated, but they wouldn't (unless come to an unforeseen circumstance, which wouldn't be on the yearly plan since it is unforeseen) just produce so much excess.