Global Hardware 23 December 2017

[DonFerrari]

Biggerboat1 said:

DonFerrari said:

Yes sure... "genuinely good games" is that the cop out? A game sells 20M on other platforms but almost nothing in a Nintendo platform, it mus be because it isn't genuinely good, like Nintendo fans are the ones to decide what is genuinely good and the rest buy any garbage.

I'll point you a complete VGC community that complains about most if not all 3rd party games, and if one game doesn't get ported (one he wouldn't buy anyway) the company deserves to go broke for their lack of love and support for Nintendo.

But still waiting for you to point me a genre where Nintendo have a hallmark game that is outsold by a 3rd party multiplatform game in consonance with what happens on other platforms where in fact most of the top sellers are 3rd parties...

Like I said, there are certain genres that I don't see selling on Nintendo consoles - sport simulations for instance.

However there are many success stories already on Switch that show there is an appetite for non-nintendo titles. Lots of smaller games yes, but 3rd party nonetheless.

Remember that so far, the bigger budget 3rd party offerings are mostly all older ports, that many Switch owners will already own on another platform. So, they're never going to be sales monsters.

Games don't have to outsell their Nintendo equivalents to be considered successful, that's quite a bizarre definition you're driving at their...

The problem with your argument is that 3rd party support for the last 3 or 4 generations has been extremely weak - so comparing the sales to Nintendo's own games isn't going to prove anything other than they are for the most part, much better games. Just look at review scores of Nintendo games vs 3rd party games released on Nintendo consoles any time in the last 15 - 20 years...

The problem with my argument is that you are only able to accept anti-Nintendo bias and not anti-3rd party Bias.

If you accept that from all developers some may have one or another game that is best than Nintendo offering, but the top sellers on Nintendo console are all Nintendo... and your claim of sports is a little weak since Nintendo can make and sell greatly Mario Tennis, Golfe, Basebal and Soccer.

I didn't say anything about what defines a success... but you said that considering Nintendo have games in all genres it's impossible to not like any of their games without prejudice and being a hater, but for you it's possible that no 3rd party can have a game that Nintendo doesn't have something in that genre that outsell it. Sorry to burst it for you, but Nintendo fans aren't better or worse than any other fan, and if you accept there is anti-Nintendo bias there is just as much pro-Nintendo bias and anti-3rd party Bias.

peachbuggy said:

DonFerrari said:

Sorry man, it goes two ways...

Nintendo fans (you can look in this site) are very positive on their anti-3rd parties hate, and calling it deserved... but when it is on people that aren't interested in Nintendo games it must be a hater that hates only for the sake of it because no one couldn't be interested in at least one game from Nintendo.

It is the same coin, on one side you aren't accepting that ALL 3rd parties TOGETHER can't be better and sell better than any game Nintendo have in the genre. Just look at your argument it is basically the same put inverting Nintendo with 3rd parties.

Nope man, on the thread about the produce 30M ships 25M or produces 25M ships 20M, that was how  the rumor was, that Nintendo would produce 5M more than they intended to ship, which of course is bizarre.

Pretty sure that was someone just misunderstanding the original rumour and putting their own "spin" on it.

Unfortunately there were someone that discussed with me for like 2h that it made sense for Nintendo to produce 30M and only ship 25M, because parts could become unavailable or they would get a major discount for a higher bulk, no mater if that would mean 1.5B of inventory stopped on the manufacturing line and like 6 months of consumption on a slower month.