| Goodnightmoon said: To suggest Rey is an excessively idealized female character and she sucks for that but then to deny Neo, Harry Potter or James Bond are excessively idealized males characters already proves my point, most of this complainst have a base on pure sexism, with her people tries to find every single little detail of why she is a Mary Sue, with them everybody does the exact opposite, try to find every little detail to prove why they aren't Marty Stus even when they clearly are if we apply the same values for all cases. |
Harry fails, multiple times he relies on others, he lets others down, people die because of him, he is helpless to save people he cares about. He is terrified and need his parents and loved ones as he goes to die. He has abilities and strengths, but he also struggles and weaknesses. I was always good at art and writing as a child, but I struggled in mathematics no matter how hard I tried. A character can have a specific positive aspect that makes them of interest. It adds complexity and interest when they have to deal with real challenges with real consequences. Life is hard, filled with false starts and failures, its how we respond to this that defines us.
You throw around "sexism" casually as a lazy argument to poison the well of other members here. You are the most sexist person I've seen in these threads. Treating women like fragile porcelain dolls who cannot handle criticism. We ask to be held to the same standards as men, not just the advantages they get, but the responsibilities as well. Major characters like Rey are massive missed opportunities for women and girls to look toward in fiction. In real life the disillusionment will come when you fail, and fail again, and you have no excuse and your job fires you because accountability exists. Strong women, or people in general, are forged through their trials and coming to terms with any limitations they have.
