Goodnightmoon said:
My previous ban had nothing to do with the content on the messages but with the manners. And I'm sorry but I never see many famous Marty Stus getting this backlash, is like we all accept it worse when is a woman, not saying that someone is sexist for thinking she is a Mary Sue, but is kind of suspicious how rare is to see this kind of debate with certain male characters. |
It's because you have no idea what a Mary Sue is. Which is evident in you not trying to argue away her status as a Mary Sue, but instead using ad hominem attacks against the opposing side, calling them sexist, and just naming random powerful male characters, without anything to back up that they are Gary Stus.
Neo is a freaking weakling at the beginning of the Matrix. He would have gotten his ass beat by a normal human, let alone an agent. He actually gave himself up because he was too scared to climb on the ledge, a very human thing. And no, the next scene isn't of him discovering his powers and busting himself out through a couple of agents. He actually has to be taught how to bend the rules of the Matrix and be taught how to fight. It isn't until the very end, after getting his ass handed to him, does he become the One.
Harry Potter has to be taught how to use magic. He doesn't get his wand and all the magic goes through him, making him close, if not more powerful than Dumbledore. He's not even shown to be the greatest student of all time. Hermoine is much better than he is. A lot of his power is due to his mother's sacrifice and Voldemort accidentally transfering some of his power into him. He's a good Quiddich player, yes, but I don't think they ever try to make him out to be the best. His first match he accidentally wins. Now, you may say a lot of lucky things happen to him and his friends. However, there's another term for it, called plot convenience. It doesn't make who it happens to a Gary Stu/Mary Sue.
I'll admit that I haven't watched a lot of Bond films. The ones I have seen, he's already an agent, so it's obvious he's gone through some serious training. He's not going from just finding out about the agency to 007 in just one film. I've also seen him get his ass kicked and win by the skin of his teeth. Or be thwarted by the big bad early on, to have to defeat them near the end. Now, maybe some films portray him as infallible, but I haven't seen them.
