"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important."

[Azuren]

Nem said:

JWeinCom said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjY619aJ82Y

This is a pretty good representation, of the atheist view in general.  But I'll sum it up...

Basically, you are insisting on holding an inflexible definition of atheism and agnosticism, which happens to be one that many (most from my experience) atheists do not hold.

By doing this, you are preventing any real discussion from happening.  Instead of an actual conversation of what someone believes you wind up, as you and others have in this topic, having conversations about the semantics of the word atheist.

Really, what is the point of this?  Why not just ask the person what they mean when they say they are an atheist, and go from there discussing the actual beliefs?  Doesn't that seem more productive? As long as people in the conversation both understand what the other means when they say they are an atheist or agnostic, then that's all that really matters.  

The definition of Atheism has always been the same. There can be no debate if you want to make one up for your your convenience.

Agnosticism is simply not a thing. Agnosticism and atheism are the same position.

And no, i didn't contradict myself. You can not believe on the absense of something. The absense is the default state. Ergh... this is why it's vexing to debate with Religious people. You don't know concepts and you don't understand logic. 

Here, go read something: https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/

Sounds like you have no idea what agnosticism or atheism really is, so lemme lay it out for you:

 

Atheism is the complete lack of spiritual faith. They don't believe there is anything behind the curtain. They don't worship science, like many theists believe- simply simply don't worship. They believe what science has proven, and they change their belief based on what new science discovers. They're evidence-based, and that's all there is to it. The day science manages to prove there is a God(s) is the day they will believe it.

 

Agnosticism is undirected spiritual faith. They believe there is something behind the curtain, but aren't placing their bets like standard theists do. Agnostics do lean back on science a lot, but have a more open mind to the possibility that there is something more spiritual at hand as well. Agnosticis can one day find a religion, but they can also just as easily spend their lives looking for a sign.

 

In other words: Atheists don't have faith in anything but evidence, whereas agnosticis have faith but are skeptical of where to place it.