2017 was solid year for Xbox One sales in spite of exclusvies.

[Mr Puggsly]

Pemalite said:

Mr Puggsly said:

 I'm not sure if Steam has achieved hundreds of millions of active users

Steams user statistics are all active users, if you knew anything about the PC and Steam you would know this basic fundamental fact.
Valve counts anyone who owns at-least 1 game and has logged in at-least once for that month as an active user.

So the actual REAL total number of users will be higher.

It's no contest that Steam is a larger platform than Xbox and Xbox Live!

Mr Puggsly said:

 GPUs below X1 capabilities. Especially the average laptop GPU which is common in Steam stats.

You aren't getting it. The hardware is not important.

If someone has hardware specifications that are below the Xbox One, that doesn't mean they cannot play thousands of games on Steam.

It also doesn't mean they can't play the same games they enjoy that are also on the Xbox One, there are tons of Arcade/Smaller Experiences/Light games/2D titles and such that are light on hardware, like Minecraft, Terraria, Defense Grid 2, Limbo... Or remasters like Skyrim even.

Hardware isn't everything. Even then, a large majority of PC's on Steam are equal/better than the 6~ year old Radeon derived GPU than the Xbox One anyway.

Mr Puggsly said:

I didnt say everybody considering a console would buy a X1. But evidently some do buy the X1.

Of course.

Mr Puggsly said:

You missed a major point entirely. People with powerful gaming PCs may not want a console. This is why its good MS has games on PC, additional sales from PC gamers.

Then Microsoft needs to do a better job to appeal to those with powerful gaming PC's, those people have wallets that are full of phat notes as well you know.
Those gamers are more likely to pick up a Switch or a Playstation 4 as they actually offer something new and unique.

Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not sure what MS gets from Cuphead. They did fund the game for years and its exclusive to their platform. So its possible MS is getting money from that project, we dont really know. You just made an assumption they absolutely are not.

Microsoft aren't the Publisher on Steam, if they had a financial publishing arrangement then they would be listed under Microsoft.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/268910/Cuphead/

StudioMDHR Entertainment Inc self published it on Steam.

Mr Puggsly said:

MS has numerous games on Steam and Windows Store, they make money from PC games. This is objective.

Microsoft has 38 titles/expansion packs/DLC on Steam.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Microsoft%20Studios

Out of 39,292.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?
(The number counts are listed at the bottom left.)

That is 39,254 digital Items being sold on Steam that Microsoft potentially doesn't see a red cent from.

Mr Puggsly said:

If you own a capable gaming PC then you arguably dont need a X1... Unless you wanna play a few exclusives that arent on PC. Halo games, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, are few that come to mind that are notable.

Forza Horizon 2 is a game from 2014. - It has a successor, Forza Horizon 3... And it is on PC.
Sunset Overdrive is also a game from 2014, it's an amazing title in it's own right.
Halo games? Well. Halo Wars 1 and 2 came to PC... The PC also has one Halo game not on any Xbox console. (I will let you guess.)
The Master Chief Collection was utter garbage, Halo 5 was average... And many a person would argue that Halo's quality has been in decline.

So really, there is 1 notable title in your list. An old title. - Worth buying an Xbox One for? Probably not, it's a great game, but not that great.

As a PC gamer, I have more reason to play the Original Xbox and Xbox 360 than the Xbox One.

Mr Puggsly said:

 Also, BC is pretty rad and generally performs better than an actual 360. X1 for example currently the best way to play Red Dead Redemption.

Backwards compatibility is fantastic. Great thing the PC is backwards compatible with games dating back 30~ years and doesn't require developer/publisher approval to be backwards compatible on newer hardware.
But I am just salty at the fact a few Xbox 360 exclusives will never be backwards compatible on Xbox One as the Publisher/Developer lost the rights to the franchises.

Mr Puggsly said:

So again, X1 may lose some sales having their games on PC. But they also gain software sales from the large PC audience. I just noticed Quantum Break is kinda a sleeper hit on Steam. While Xbox games have made the Windows Store relevant and increased support.

They only financially gain anything from a PC sale if they publish the game or it is Windows Store, which if multiplayer populations are anything to judge... Isn't setting any sales records.

Quantum Break is a great game, I would even argue that it was highly underrated, Microsoft did publish that game on Steam, so they do get revenue from each sale.
But... A gamer picking up Quantum Break on Steam is potentially a lost Xbox One customer.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact more Xbox games come to PC, I am a PC gamer first and foremost, but I also want a reason to turn my Xbox One X on, it is probably the most useless console I have ever owned... And that is saying something.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
The only thing solid about 2017 for Xbox was the major exclusives drought for two quarters.

I think the only positive thing I can leverage against Xbox for 2017 was the extremely solid hardware launch of the Xbox One X.
It doesn't have any games mind you, but it's still a solid piece of hardware that simply isn't being used right now.

Hopefully Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Age of Empires, Halo 6 and a Fable 4 changes my opinion on that, Microsoft needs games.

As usual, you make arguments by making assumptions. Never claimed Xbox had a bigger userbase and we dont know the number of active users are on Steam. The actual number of active users could vary anywhere if you set no log in period and many might just be playing F2P games.

Hardware is important if you want to play technically demanding Xbox games. That was the point but you can never stay on topic.

If you have a good PC then I might suggest going with PS4 and Switch over X1. But again you miss the point. MS can still move a lot more software sharing games between PC and Xbox versus Xbox alone. I'm not sure why these points go over your head.

Forza Horizon 2 is a different game, different world to explore, its own hip soundtrack, etc. Its not like comparing Forza 6 and 7, your argument shows how little you know.

Halo:MCC, even with its shortcomings, is a great product. Its the best way to play the Halo campigns, has exclusie upgrades to Halo 2, and has multiplayer for each game. Its also gonna be updated so maybe they even imrove it beyond 4K.

Halo 5 is well above average because its virtually a total package. Good campaign, great multiplayer, and co op modes. I still play it regularly. My only big gripe is no split screen. But its above average.

My point about BC was there is good content there not on PC and it performs better than a standard Xbox in most cases. So BC is notable feature for having a X1. Again, I have to elaborate because you miss the point.

Again, people buying QB on PC might steal some X1 sales... MIGHT. But it may actually outsell the X1 version on PC over time. So the PC revenue may actually be greater than assumed X1 sales lost. Its not like X1 sales have declined by sharing games with PC.

Maybe some X1 console sales are lost by sharing with PC. But game revenue also increases by sharing with PC. That should actually encourage MS to produce more content.

X1X does have games, it has the same games on X1 with improved fidelity.

I agree, more content is needed and its apparently coming. Thats impression we've been given.

Last edited by Mr Puggsly - on 08 January 2018