Ka-pi96 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
And even that completely misses the point. There is no possibility of scientific proof of God. God's essence is fundamentaly unknowable to us since it is literally everything. Even philosophers like Bertrand Russel don't bring up scientific arguments, this is exclusively a debate in the realm of theology and philosophy.
But these other institutions exist. And your logical fallacy is that if it would have been an atheïst institution, these negative things wouldn't have happend. Sorry to burst your bubble. And there is no "net negative effect". That's a popular thing to say, but the public is not always right. Think for yourself.
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If it exists then science can prove it, maybe not modern day science, but eventually. If you think otherwise you clearly don't know much about science.
And  at a religious person saying "Think for yourself". That really is hilarious.
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That's not how the argument works. The cosmological argument is a debate that's purely philosophical. It's safe to say no future science will ever have anything to say about it. That's not an anti-science standpoint, this is something generally agreed on in philosophical circles. I'd think most scientists agree.
