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WolfpackN64 on 08 January 2018
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vivster said:
WolfpackN64 said:

And even that completely misses the point. There is no possibility of scientific proof of God. God's essence is fundamentaly unknowable to us since it is literally everything. Even philosophers like Bertrand Russel don't bring up scientific arguments, this is exclusively a debate in the realm of theology and philosophy.

But these other institutions exist. And your logical fallacy is that if it would have been an atheïst institution, these negative things wouldn't have happend. Sorry to burst your bubble. And there is no "net negative effect". That's a popular thing to say, but the public is not always right. Think for yourself.

I do think for myself and especially on my life all religions had a terribly negative effect on me. It pains me to even think that bullshit like that still exists in an age of enlightenment.

Christian religions are constantly trying to meddle in politics that affect my life, Islam is trying to kill me directly and while I'm not much affected by Hinduism and Shinto I know those aren't that well like in their respective states either. Generally it affects me by throwing my sense of justice out of whack since one crazy person who talks with imaginary people will be sent to a medical institution, while another crazy person who talks with imaginary people will get tax breaks and special state protection and for some reason major political power.

Common sense and basic science that are meant to advance humanity are constantly under attack by people who are allowed to say thinks like "you cannot disprove my god because my god cannot be disproven. Now give me tax breaks and political power because I believe in that arbitrary thing that cannot be proven". Yes, it affects my life and that of millions of others exclusively negatively.

Well, sorry to tell you that your enlightment positivism probably killed more people then Christianity ever did. And when I say science can't prove or disprove God, it's because that's actually very sensible. Sorry that it affects a lot of people negatively, but the vast majority of humanity benefitted from it positively.If you think you can just take a dump on religion without pushback. I'm sick and tired of hardline atheïsts telling me whats good or wrong and what exists or don't. You people don't hold any more truth then we do. And I personally have had a lot of ground to doubt atheïst morals even exist. It always relies on an externel system, often even based on religious morals.