2017 was solid year for Xbox One sales in spite of exclusvies.

[Mr Puggsly]

Pemalite said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Two things...

While there may technically be hundreds of millions of PC gamers... Do they all have mahines that can run Xbox games well? Safe bet is no. Consoles are generally the cheap/simple way of playing modern games.

Having a PC that is weaker than an Xbox One isn't going to make said users jump on the Xbox One console if said PC can run all their favorite games anyway, so that argument is disingenuous.

They might just go Playstation 4, Switch or simply upgrade their PC instead or remain content with what they already have.

Besides, If you have bothered to check the Steam statistics... The majority of Systems are superior to the Xbox One, the Xbox One is low-end hardware, it's old, slow and outdated.
It wasn't even that great when it was released, the added years hasn't done the hardware any favors.

Mr Puggsly said:
There is a significant audience not interested in gaming on PC, thats why consoles are still thriving.

And? Clearly they seem to be more interested in Xbox's competing platforms and the PC than the Xbox itself.
There are hundreds of millions of gamers on PC, there are hundreds of millions of gamers on mobile, the Playstation 4 is 70+ million hardware units sold, the Switch is selling like cocaine, clearly having all of the Xbox games on PC isn't doing Microsoft any favors in bringing gamers over to the Xbox platform.

Mr Puggsly said:
So I believe having MS games on PC and Xbox is actually a good idea because that increases profits and Xbox still has exclusive content in the console arena.

Except... Microsoft doesn't profit from the majority of games sold on PC.

Microsoft only profits from games it has published or games sold on the Windows Store.
The majority of games sold on the PC are in-fact sold on Steam, followed by GOG and Origin and probably uPlay.

Take Cuphead for instance, the bulk of it's PC sales were on Steam. - Microsoft didn't get a single cent from that as it didn't publish the game on Steam... And MIcrosoft doesn't get any cut from Valves 30% take on games sold on it's service.

Mr Puggsly said:
So its possible Xbox is losing some sales sharing games with PC but it hasnt proven to be significant. But if it is significant, then MS must be profiting from their games selling on PC.

Answer me this... As someone who owns a PC, why should I bother to turn my Xbox One X on? Why should I bother purchasing a game for the Xbox One X? I haven't actually turned my Xbox One X on in over like a month anyway, that is a real problem.

A game like PUBG I would rather buy on PC, on Steam where Microsoft doesn't get a single cent from that sale, where-as on the Xbox Microsoft see's something like a 30% cut and a customer that might buy more games in future.

It was exclusives that brought me over from the PC and buy the original Xbox in the first place... And it's the lack of exclusives that are turning me away from that console platform.

As usual you make one argument and just fail to follow it up. I'm not sure if Steam has achieved hundreds of millions of active users and there are also many users with GPUs below X1 capabilities. Especially the average laptop GPU which is common in Steam stats.

I didnt say everybody considering a console would buy a X1. But evidently some do buy the X1.

You missed a major point entirely. People with powerful gaming PCs may not want a console. This is why its good MS has games on PC, additional sales from PC gamers.

I'm not sure what MS gets from Cuphead. They did fund the game for years and its exclusive to their platform. So its possible MS is getting money from that project, we dont really know. You just made an assumption they absolutely are not.

MS has numerous games on Steam and Windows Store, they make money from PC games. This is objective.

If you own a capable gaming PC then you arguably dont need a X1... Unless you wanna play a few exclusives that arent on PC. Halo games, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, are few that come to mind that are notable. Also, BC is pretty rad and generally performs better than an actual 360. X1 for example currently the best way to play Red Dead Redemption.

So again, X1 may lose some sales having their games on PC. But they also gain software sales from the large PC audience. I just noticed Quantum Break is kinda a sleeper hit on Steam. While Xbox games have made the Windows Store relevant and increased support.