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SuperNova on 04 January 2018
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DonFerrari said:
SuperNova said:

Well, it's not neccessaryly my point, even though I agree with it, but Rols in the first place. That being said, again, that's not what I'm saying. Not sure why you're bringing up 360 and Ps3 either, as those two are about as traditional as homeconsoles get. There was never a reason for third parties not to jump on board.

The whole point is that third parties would be sceptical with jumping on board of a hybrid console no matter who brought it to market.

So yes, if Sony had announced the Ps4 with Switch specs (already unrealistic since the chip wasn't even out yet, but bear with me) as a hybrid and brought it market in 2013, with no traditional homeconsole in sight, third parties absolutely would have been highly sceptical. Especially if Sonys two competitors came to market with largely traditional and vastly more powerful consoles. It's even worse if you reverse the situation to MS, who don't even have any experience in the Handheld market at all. 

Sony has a lot of goodwill from third parties, while Nintendo has a damaged relationship with a lot of them, but my point was that the individual companies standing with third parties is laregly incedental to the third parties being sceptical of new concepts.

Nintendo has a history of know-how and success in the handheld space, aiding that aspect of development greatly, and has the IP and money to survive without full third party support, wich neiter MS nor Sony do.

It was never 'nintendo are the only ones who could make a Hybrid console', it was 'nintendo are the only ones who could make a hybrid console work'. BIg diffrence.

If you think sony could have pulled it off, fair enough. I personally have my doubts seeing the less than stellar support the vita recieved and MS would straight up have not survived trying the hybrid concept, they don't have the neccessary hardware expertise or IPs.

The point was about PS1 and X360 being succesfull even thought they didn't had much 1st party content which nullifies the notion that Switch-like HW could only be sucessful with strong 1st party games. The point of they being skeptical isn't valid since the devs have put games for consoles and HH before, so the fact that it's hybrid shouldn't make it impossible when the companies have good relationship.

The companies could be skeptical, but that is what relationship and bringing aboard is about, and presenting the project in a way to entice they

There is a difference between could have and did. Sony pulled PSP good and screwed PSVita... doesn't mean their hybrid would be either of the cases.

If we were to put the failures as a mean of impossibility than Wii and Switch shouldn't be good sellers since N64, GC and WiiU were hard floppers. And GBA and DS should also be bad since Virtua Boy.

I've had nice conversations with you before, so rather than get into a fight I'll stept back here because at this point it feels like you're willfully missunderstnding me.

The whole point is that a hybrid IS and entirely new concept. Yes, both home consoles and Handhelds have been established in the market, largely by Nintendo for amost 30 years now. A hybrid is not. Third parties are sceptical of new things.

This is not me making unsubstatiated claims either, there's literally industry talks about the topic (of new things) long preceding the Switch and heck official press releases about the Switch itself stating as much. AAA third parties do not like any kind of risk. There would not be full third party support for any console makers hybrid console out of the gate.

I don't feel like there can be much contention on that point without turning a blind eye to basic industry realities. If you disagree, fine, have a good night (it's nightime where I am..:P).