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thismeintiel on 02 January 2018
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mZuzek said:
Soundwave said:

Why is it only now that it's a big deal. The above is INTENTIONAL too. The character concept of the "golden child", "chosen one" is common in fantasy and has been for ages. The trope is a character who is basically chosen by divine choosing to bring some kind of justice/balance into a world that has been corrupted by darkness/war. Said character will exhibit exceptional abilities that go beyond reason or what any "normal" person has. Said person will often have good fortune land in their lap. Said character will often have a character that is initially jealous/resentful of their "chosen one" ablity (Draco to Harry Potter, Cypher to Neo, Kylo to Rey). 

Mostly already addressed. I kinda forgot about Harry in his first movie, he was definitely a Mary Sue there, I'll give you that - it's no wonder I think that's one of the worse HP films. Also maybe take back Neo being a Mary Sue in Reloaded and Revolutions, because just the fact that he undergoes that evolution throughout at least one entire movie means he's earned that "right to be OP", regardless of how bad the movies were.

In fact I'm starting to notice you have a thing for always making comparisons to other badly received movies here, SW prequels and Matrix trilogy galore. I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove with this.

If anything I do think the whole Mary Sue thing is sort of blown out of proportion, I don't think it's that big of an issue, though it certainly has become a bigger one since TFA. The main problem here is that Rey simply isn't much of an interesting character - I think maybe you could say the same about Harry Potter himself, but because he spends the vast majority of his 8 movies with his friends, he eventually becomes interesting if only for the relationships he develops, something Rey doesn't do with anyone in TLJ.

Edit: and Anakin... it's just like HP. He's absolutely 100% a Mary Sue in his first movie, but stops being one after that. As clear as ever to see in Attack of the Clones when he's a creep throughout the movie (intentional or not) and then fucks everything up at the end when facing Dooku. And again, here we go drawing comparisons to badly received movies lol.

Yea, I don't get this obsession with defending the Mary Sue thing. Or labeling characters who aren't Mary Sue's as them, just to... actually, I have idea what that serves. Well, other than to prove that they don't know the definition. 

Neo definitely isn't. There's a reason why he's supposed to be so powerful. And he actually has to go through some shit before he unlocks his power. Including, uh, training.

Really, I wouldn't even include Harry Potter. In some aspects he brushes against that line. But, he's not the most gifted student, that's Hermione. He doesn't just learn magic by way of osmosis, he actually has to, uh, go to school and train. Some spells are difficult for him to pull off. Without his mother's sacrifice, he'd be dead. He didn't pull that shit off himself. And there are plenty of characters that dislike him, including ones that aren't exactly bad guys,  and never really warm to him. He'd also be whisked away from that abusive family of his, to live a good life. But nope, he's got to go back and live with them.

Also, it's ridiculous to call it sexist. Again, yet another strawman. People were equally annoyed by young Anakin. Sure, he wasn't as OP as Rey was, but fans knew where it was going. Fortunately, Lucas took that criticism to heart and stopped the Gary Stu stuff in its tracks. Unfortunately, there other things he got wrong with the character, but still, he was no longer a Gary Stu. So, even if Rey was a man, people would still complain.