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thismeintiel on 01 January 2018
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epicurean said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Saying that evidence of a backlash having any negative impact is that this movie sis not managing to do the same number sas the second greatest BO of all time and the bigest USA BO of all times is shortsighted ot say the least. TLJ will likely end in the 1.3 - 1.5 bil neighborhood, and thats considering it had none of the years of no Star Wars that ep VII had and that it is the second movie ina  trilogy, wich is historicaly always the worst performer out of a 3 parter.

Just stop, there sis not way to ingluence or to "buy" millions of critics from hundreds of different countrys. This bulshit conspiracy theoru has gone too far. Disney somehow always buy critics and yet Warner doesn't. Seriously ppl the answer here isn't some crazy scheme, it is the simple fact the movie is great. is it quite different from the usual Star Wars film ? Ye it definetly is. But all that aside, as a movie, evaluating solely what is being present on screen, it is a fantastic piece of cinema.

" millions of critics" - uhhhhh?

I just feel like we must have seen different movies. I don't want there to be conspiracies or anything, but that movie was really, really bad. Like I said, I've never had such a disconnect with critics before, and there seems to be a lot of other people who feel the same. I don't know what this "smear" campaign is you're talking about, other than people just really hated the movie.

I think if people were honest with themselves, and this movie was called Space Battles, people would look at it as a poor imitation of SW, but with a boring, drawn out plot that really leads nowhere. Sure it's pretty, but so are some of Michael Bay's films. That doesn't make them good/great.  But, because it's SW, some just feel the need to not just love it, instead of just thinking it's OK, but also completely ignore the major plot holes and plot points that amounted to nothing. And label anyone bringing up its flaws just a hater or fanboy (though that's the opposite of a fanboy), and when asked to address them, they just don't/can't. 

Also, the whole taking risks thing. What risks? Maybe risking pissing off a lot of the fanbase by trolling them, having things set up to mean something just turn out to be nothing. But I never saw any actual risks taken that meant anything or feel like they have any major impact on the story/universe.  Some boring/dumb stuff happened and we left the situation exactly how we came into it. I feel like the guys at Redlettermedia put it best. This movie wasn't absolutely terrible, but at best it was only sporadically interesting. They didn't really set up much for the sequel, nor am I even interested in where it goes.

I'll be skipping the next one cause I fear we'll either get another poor Marvel movie wannabe. Or they'll try to fix so much from this one it'll become a muddled mess.