The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

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mZuzek said:

DakonBlackblade said:

Thats not true at all, the movie have a very clear motiff, the young spuring on the elders and the elders teaching the young. Every single one of the 3 new protagonists make terrible decision because they ahven't listened to theier elders and they all fail their quests. However thei energy and impetus motivate the elders to never give up and in the end of the movie all 3 new protagonists have learned from the elders and have grown in some significant and evident way (Poe more so than anyone else). Are there conviniences and Ex machinas on the scrip, ye sure but I dare you to find one script ever that doesn't. Its highly unlikedly that Ep VIII will win awards for its script, but it has a very solid one, it does exactly what it set out to do and the character arcs all lead somewhere withitm the movie. 

No they don't lead anywhere. Poe's arc is pretty irrelevant because it only happens because the "elder" (Holdo) was being a complete dick pulling all sorts of nonsense. Rey's arc is useless as she doesn't learn anything at all, undergoes no training and still overcomes all challenges she needs to overcome easily. Finn and Rose's arc I'd rather not even get into, that was the worst thing ever. Leia's "arc" was basically doing nothing the whole movie. Snoke's arc was to die stupidly, and Kylo's arc was to redeem himself and join Rey, but then suddenly deny all the development he went through in the film's first half just to become a villain again (really feels like they just wanted an excuse to kill Snoke and keep Kylo as the main villain).

No one evolved in any meaningful way, no one underwent any real changes. The entirety of the character progression in the movie was to go from point A to half-way to point B, then just do a 180 and go straight back to point A. It was utter nonsense.

Yes, pretty much spot on.

What did Leia learn from any young people? She and Holdo did everything perfect (according to the film) and Poe basically ruined everything not once, but twice (they really wanted to hammer home how terrible he was, it seemed). Finn was trying to abandon everyone AGAIN if Rose hadn't "saved" him. Rey did things to help "save" Luke but he did nothing for her other than - wait - no, still nothing. 

If it seems like I'm saying all the female characters were perfect and the males were all idiots, well, that's just how the film went, I guess.