mZuzek said:
You really need to understand your opinion is only your own. Rogue One wasn't sterile at all to me, it was exciting through and through and I loved the characters and genuinely felt for them by the end, because they felt like real people who were dealing with situations that were presented to them in a realistic way. I agree the movie has faults and I agree its first half is quite underwhelming, but it does redeem itself at the end. You know what The Last Jedi never does? Redemption. It never redeems Luke (despite the plot making it seem it would), it never redeems Kylo (despite the plot making it seem it would), it never redeems Finn (because we gotta have that stupid girl come in and say some really cheesy nonsense), and ultimately it never redeems itself. I know people will defend it as "that's why it's so great, because it toys with expectations!", but that isn't a good thing, it's just disrespectful to the audience and dramatically unrealistic when all of the characters act in ways no human ever would - instead they all feel like little toys the plot is dragging along wherever it wants to. The movie's script isn't bad because it's simple, it's bad because it makes absolutely no sense and just throws out plot-convenient crap all over the place without giving anything ever a solid explanation or reason to happen. For example, Leia's pathetic Superman moment (up there with the most stupid shit I've ever seen in cinema) - we've never seen or heard about Leia using the Force previously in all of four movies, so how come she can do that now? I thought "wow that makes no sense", but well at least they would explain it or at least acknowledge it later, right? Nope they never do, it's just a stupid thing that happens with no explanation or acknowledgement and no reason other than "we want to kill every Resistance leader but Leia needs to survive somehow". Or for example, Snoke spending half the movie showing a level of power and knowledge with the Force pretty much beyond anything we've ever seen in Star Wars, yet he can't notice his own apprentice (who is clearly still garbage) turning the lightsaber right next to him. Or how Holdo, the supposed right-hand of Leia (a character we've never heard of but suddenly exists, because reasons? Couldn't it be Lando or something?), someone she really trusted, has an absolutely pathetic role where she is incapable of explaining, or at the very least motivating her own crew, leading her to be inevitably overthrown just so later the movie can throw a cheap "she was good all along and Poe is stupid" twist? Also the plot twists. I know it might be hard to believe for some, but having twists for the sake of twists with no prior build-up or no subsequent pay-off isn't a good thing, and this movie doesn't do it once or twice, it does it once or twice every 10 minutes. I hate how everything needs to have twist, everything needs to have a "gotcha" moment where the movie feels like it just wants to laugh at its audience. Plot twists aren't a good thing on their own, they become good eventually when they are 1. impactful, and 2. have a prolonged effect on the story. The plot twists here do none of that. Kylo Ren suddenly becoming evil again in the most unbelievable way after the whole movie was building up to his redemption? That didn't only not make sense, it's a twist that inevitably has no outcome as we just go back to how things were before. Luke dying on the Jedi Temple without doing anything meaningful despite obviously having the chance to with the previously set up X-Wing and also having his redemption built up throughout the movie? That also doesn't make sense given his character, and also has no impact on the story as now he's just gonna be a force ghost and as we've seen here, suddenly force ghosts can now actually influence the real world because... reasons? Again never explained and never acknowledged, it just happens because Disney wanted to put Yoda in one of their movies somehow and that's that (don't get me started on how stupid it is that Luke still needs Yoda's guidance after all this time). Look, I understand where the lovers come from. The direction and cinematography here is truly outstanding, some scenes like Holdo's sacrifice (as meaningless as it was story-wise) or the final battle on Hoth 2.0 or even the flashback scenes between Luke and Kylo (which by the way were the only thing I actually liked about the story) among many others, it was all shot very well and it looked amazing. Some people also really like not knowing what to expect from a movie, and from those it also makes sense to love it since it is indeed all twists all the time. But you have to understand that no, this isn't the only truth, there are several opinions and hating this movie is clearly a common one, and it actually has good reason. |
You also need to understand that I don't need to put "in my opinion" in every message as that's obvious enough. Reading your post feels like if the original trilogy was made today it would be destroyed by the public as they take a lot of freedom to do what they want without explaining a lot of things, yet somehow that's a huge mistakes in this one but not in the old ones. No, Leia flying is not among the most stupid things you have seen in cinema, the scene itself may look a bit cheesy, but we already know from episode 6 that Leia is supposed to have the force, she is part of a lineage where the force is incredibly strong and his own brother said to her that she would use it someday, and she did, in a critical situation she awakes her force and she does nothing spectacular with it, she simply push hereself in the void, she doesn't elevate a spaceship or creates an ilusion from galaxies of distance, she simply push herself, there's nothing crazy about that scene at all yet I have the feeling that's the scene in which many people decided the movie was bad and they saw the rest under the perspective that the movie was shit when is (in my opinion) clearly one of the best of the saga and every fucking professional of cinema and professional critic seems to think the same, is one of those cases when the movie takes years to be appreciated by the fans, but it will, specially if episode IX turns to be great.
Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 29 December 2017
