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thismeintiel on 28 December 2017
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Mandalore76 said:
thismeintiel said:

Also, remember that much of what Snoke said turned out to BS.  He couldn't read Kylo's mind and he didn't create the link between them, because we see them do it again after he is dead.  She also lifted a huge pile of boulders with absolutely no effort whatsoever, even though she was never trained to even lift one. 

And like I told someone before, a Mary Sue is a Mary Sue, not because she has no obstacles, its because the few real obstacles she has she overcomes them quickly and with little effort.  Most of the time it is by herself, but sometimes it is with a little help with a character that is infatuated with her.  All of which applies to both films.

I disagree with your assessment of the Snoke scenes.  I think Snoke did create the link between them.  Upon the first link, Kylo even asks Rey if she is the one doing it, before acknowledging that it couldn't possibly be coming from her.  Just because it still remained afterwards doesn't mean that Snoke wasn't the one who "opened" it.  Also, Snoke actually read Kylo's mind pretty clearly.  He sensed Kylo turning the lightsaber (Snoke was focused on the wrong one, because of his arrogance) and sensed Kylo's determination to "strike down his true enemy".  What Snoke didn't know was that Kylo considered his master to be "his true enemy".  Knowing that Snoke could read his mind, Kylo purposefully concentrated on ambiguities that would be misread by Snoke.  Again, because Snoke was too arrogant to see any other possibility.  

Snoke wasn't arrogant.  He was an idiot.  A poorly written villain who was just in charge, just cause the writers wanted the whole Emperor/Darth relationship, again.  Supposedly so powerful, that he was on the level of the Emperor, if not more powerful, yet couldn't even feel someone turning the object right next to him.  Not only did he go out like a bitch, he said some of the worst, on the nose, cringy dialogue right before it happened.  It was seriously right out of a parody film.

Again, another reason I hate this film.  Have a villain just to have one.  Don't give them any personality or make them intimidating.

We'll just have to disagree on the Snoke opening the door for them.  Even if you want to believe that, closing it and opening that door again must take as much power to open it.  Which still goes against what Kylo established, that it would kill her.  Well, unless it is yet another thing that goes for the argument that she is a Mary Sue.

Last edited by thismeintiel - on 28 December 2017