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Cerebralbore101 on 27 December 2017
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Puppyroach said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

If they would have gone out to find Jedi to train, they would have been caught and killed. Remember the OG trilogy never spelled out exactly how the Republic fell, or exactly how the Clone Wars went down, or exactly how Vader hunted down all the Jedi. As an audience (watching the films before the prequel movies came out) we have no clue what happened, and this lack of information means we can't really judge Yoda or Obi Wan. On the flip side we know exactly what happened with Luke, so we are left in the perfect position to judge him. 

I don't think people really grasp how much the prequel movies messed up the Star Wars canon. Before those movies, Vader, Obi Wan, Yoda, and Palpatine were thought to have been over 100 years old, with the force keeping them alive. Uncle Owen was understood to have been in his 70's, and a much younger half brother to Vader (or perhaps not even truly related). The rise of the Empire was so catastrophic that virtually all history before the rise of the Empire was lost. This is why Han Solo calls the Force a hokey religion. Once you throw the prequels into the mix, this mythos is destroyed, and suddenly Han would have been alive during the clone wars, meaning his skepticism towards the Force would have made zero sense. 

Star Wars EU rarely ever touched on what happened shortly before the Empire, because that was supposed to be left up to the reader. It's the same thing with how, Wolverine's past was left to mystery for so many years. Mystery is part of what makes things cool, and a lot of times pulling back the veil ruins things. 

What are you talking about? The prequel movies are made by the same person that made the OG Star Wars. You are talking about speculations, not canon. Since you are judging the newer films by the measure of what was set up in the older films, you are dependent upon also judging the older films according to what was canon, which is what was set up in the prequel trilogy.

According to your argument, we should also be harsh in our judgement of episode 5 and 6 since they were only planned AFTER it turned out Star Wars was succesful (the "a new hope" was added later and a trilogy wasn´t planned). Speculation is that Vader wasn´t supposed to be Lukes and Leias father and Luke wasn´t supposed to be related to Leia. Or is there some sort of magic time limit of when a sequel is regarded as canon to you?

The prequel movies were made by the same person, but that doesn't stop them from being bad films that reframe the original trilogy in a bad light. I"m talking about things that the EU hints to, which is no longer canon, but was considered canon up until 1999. 

"Since you are judging the newer films by the measure of what was set up in the older films, you are dependent upon also judging the older films according to what was canon, which is what was set up in the prequel trilogy."

No I'm not, because the prequel trilogy didn't come chronologically before the original trilogy.  Those films were made over 20 years after the original trilogy films. There's an entire generation that saw the OG trilogy without needing to contextualize it within the prequel trilogy because the prequel trilogy didn't exist yet. This meme tries to point out the OG trilogy as having the same flaws as this new set of Star Wars films. But those flaws didn't exist in the OG trilogy at all, and were created by the prequel movies. 

According to your argument, we should also be harsh in our judgement of episode 5 and 6 since they were only planned AFTER it turned out Star Wars was succesful (the "a new hope" was added later and a trilogy wasn´t planned). Speculation is that Vader wasn´t supposed to be Lukes and Leias father and Luke wasn´t supposed to be related to Leia. Or is there some sort of magic time limit of when a sequel is regarded as canon to you?

That's comparing apples and oranges. We have decades of EU material, and the films having set up what the Star Wars mythos, and the character of Luke was. Then all that is changed by a completely different writer who had nothing to do with Star Wars. Compare this with a three year wait for Empire Strikes Back, after the first Star Wars film. 

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