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thismeintiel on 26 December 2017
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Vincoletto said:
thismeintiel said:

I don't know. With all the other messages they had so on the nose, it wouldn't surprise me that's the exact reason why they did it. I think they wanted a girl Jedi, which is perfectly fine, but didn't want her to have to struggle too  much. Either because they felt like girls wouldn't want to watch her suffer through those struggles or they didn't want the male Jedis to look so powerful next to a female, even though we know those males had to go through the same struggles. Whichever it is, it's insulting to the audience's intelligence, as well as women, thinking they wouldn't be interested in or couldn't handle a female protagonist who isn't perfect.

 

I really hate playing this card, but part of me thinks its because they would not accept having a male (Luke) teaching her everything, patronizing her and in the end being responsible for a huge part of her development. It was important to pass the message that she, as a female, could achieve everything without the help of a man. Usually I dont have this kind of thinking but judging based on what happens in the rest of the movie I feel inclined to think this way. I really hope im wrong.

Well, considering the rest of the movie, especially the scenes with Purple Hair, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. It pisses me off that people can think so lowly of women that they can't handle a weaker woman being trained, even if it's by a man, to become one of the best. And supposed feminist support that? To me, it seems so demeaning.

Lucas-Rio said: 
Goodnightmoon said: 

Also is suyrprising the level of doble moral that some fans have, like 2/3 of the "defects" they find in the new ones are already there in the original trilogy, but is like cannot fucking see them, and as a consequence there are more and more memes about it

Nobody would have complained if Luke ended like Obiwan or Yoda.

- They weren't depressed and weak nor grumbling

- They actually trained Luke and were useful in the story

- They never tried to kill their nephews in their sleep

- They were not overwhelmed by powerless kid..... Obiwan defeated Anakin and Yoda fought Sidious , the most powerful sith , to a draw.  Luke was knocked out by a weak Kylo Ren and never redeemed himself.

 

Johnson pissed on Luke Skywalker, and that's why his movie is hated. Not only it's a very bad movie, but it's a disgusting movie, a franchise destroyer, something that left a disgusting taste in your mouth. I don't think I will watch episode 9 if they don't immediately correct the course. I will wait the true fans reactions before, for sure. It killed any anticipation.

Exactly. Besides, it's not like the prequels did the best at setting up how the characters got to where they are at the beginning of the OG trilogy. Really I always took it that Yoda was either exiled or he got shot down over Degobah. And Obi-Wan had to give up on a war he knew he could not win in order to watch over Luke, in case Vader ever came looking for him.

Luke, on the other hand, just left as soon as his apprentice fought back in what was basically self defense. Instead of reaching out to him before he could actually join the Order, he ran away and left everyone with his fuck up. He then is turned off by the whole Jedi belief system because? Oh, just because the script said so. Really? You couldn't write something he found out that turned him away from it? It's just because HE, not the Jedi,  fucked up once?

It's not only a worse setup, it doesn't fit with his character, as he has always been the most optimistic one of the three. He left Yoda when both Yoda and Obi-Wan said he needed to stay and train, even if his friends had to die as a result. They thought Vader was beyond redemption, but he believed he wasn't no matter how many times they put doubt there.