The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

[Nautilus]

Cerebralbore101 said:

Nautilus said:

Having just watched the movie, I honestly found it extremely good and I honestly dont understand all this hate it is getting.Sure it has some wtf moments that should have been done better, like Leia being blown and thrown to space but somehow uses the force, something she never used before, to save herself.And Finn being a less than useful charachter, specially since he is the only clone to ever break away from the empire and not exployting that concept and simply brushing it off as an genetic error.But other than that, The Last Jedi was an espectacle, with excellent writing and good humor.It is an excellent movie, and a movie that I recommend to anyone to watch.

Now, I will now speculate why people are upset about the movie, but since I can see this opinion getting a significant backlash, Im not answering anyone back that dosent respond with reason or arguments to back it up.Honestly, I think nostalgia is blinding people to be objective to the movie.Hell, I will go even farther than that and say that it is literally impossible for a new Star Wars film to be considered great ever again.If Disney tries to play too safe, you get episode VII, and people will say "ah, its too similar to the old movies"!But if Disney tries to do something more original(and by that, they NEED to implement new stuff that the Force can do, or situations that you might imply is not very Star Wars-ish), people will then complain that it dosent feel like Star Wars and wont like it.It will be simply impossible to keep the fans happy, plain and simple, because it will be impossible to meet the standarts that the fans want them to reach, simply because there isnt a movie that can do what they want.Sure that the film is not perfect, it has some flaws as the ones that I just said the paragraph before, but its a great movie.

Its not like some fans complaining about the movie will stop Star Wars from being successful ever again.This movie will probably raise it to new heights, but its disheartening to see reactions like this.

I watched it and didn't hate it, but noticed some flaws. I've had a few days to think on the movie, so I'll list the flaws here.

1. Finn's entire subplot was pointless, because the purple haired lady had a plan all along. She just refused to tell anybody for some reason, leading to a useless mutiny in the ship. The whole thing where they went to a casino planet and returned could be cut from the movie entirely and the plot would still make as much sense as it currently does. 

2. How the First Order has gained control of the galaxy is never explained. This weighed on me the entire way through the film. I mean the Rebels have had 30+ years to build a new republic. At the end of TFA they win a major military victory by blowing up the death star planet. How are they close to being annihilated in the second movie? 

3. If ramming a ship with hyperspace engines is all it takes to destroy a Star Destroyer, then why hasn't it been done before? I mean you would think that war would revolve around such an effective maneuver in this universe. 

4. Objects in motion in space don't lose speed once they get going. Once a ship runs out of fuel it doesn't just slow down. An object in motion stays in motion. This means the entire "oh we'll just chase them until they run out of fuel" plot ignores the rules of physics. 

5. They never explained why Luke wants the Jedi to die out, and they never explained why he changes his mind at the end. 

6. Rey really is a Mary Sue. 

7. I enjoyed the Snoke death twist, but it's kind of weird how easily he was killed. I mean, he could link minds across the galaxy, read minds, and force push/choke people across lightyears, but gets killed by a sneaky lightsaber trick? 

Again, I didn't hate the movie. It wasn't nearly as bad as the prequels. But I'd hardly call it great. 

1.Agree to some extent to the first point.While I dont think it was useless, given that it was due to Finn and Poe mistake that the Resistance almost got wiped out, the purple hair lady could have told them the plan from the get go.

2. Yeah, this one also bugs the hell out of me.Cant understand how they werent able to build everything back up from the end of episode 6 and end off the empire for good, but that a problem with the overall trilogy, not this movie in particular.

3.I dont agree with this.Because first off I would say that this must be easy to dodge.First you would need to position the ship just right, and the enemy ships would have to be in perfect position to also inflict significant damage.Plus, even if someone was trying to do that, the enemy could see right through their trap and simply dodge or minimize the damage that they would inflict.Not to mention the potential loss of men that this would imply, because you would need a big ship to take out the other large ships.Plus this only worked because the empire was so dead set on following the resistance that they basically made a line of ships right behind them and didnt worry about any kind of counteratack.

4.But the ship that loses the fuel stops accelerating, and keeps going at the same velocity, while the one chasing keeps gaining speed.Thus eventually it will catch up with the one it is chasing.

5.I thought that was pretty self explanatory.He wanted it to end because people placed too much power on them, and power corrupts people.The Jedi once held a place of great power, and due to power being a factor that corrupts people, when a Jedi turns to the dark side, it turns as a person of major influence over others, which only leads into disaster.This in turn facilitated not only the creation of the empire, but its conquest over the universe, because Palpatine was a Jedi of great power(or was in a position of great power thanks to the Jedis, something of the sort).Surely there must be similar examples through history of these kind of occurances, and thats why Luke wants the Jedi itself to dissapear, its status quo, but not the people who can master it.

6.Not sure what a Mary Sue is.

7.He was cocky, and that got him killed.He was too confident on his control over Ben, and that got the better of him.Its like that Indiana Jones scene, where indy kills that highly skilled fighter with a gunshot.Snoke let his guard down and was stabbed in the back.

Last edited by Nautilus - on 26 December 2017