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thismeintiel on 24 December 2017
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Cobretti2 said:
thismeintiel said:

Interesting.  I don't recall the thrilling part in the OG trilogy where we had to endure a turtle vs turtle chase for 2 hrs.  One that could have ended very quickly if the huge plot hole of the Order being able to call in other ships to that location, or even being able to fly a bunch of ships straight through the rebel one, were addressed.  Sure, the OG trilogy probably has a bunch of small nitpicky ones if you go through them.  Not ones that completely ruin the movie or are that stinking big.  And this new trilogy is a continuation of the old one.  You can't just completely reset the politics of the galaxy like the OG trilogy didn't happen.  You have to explain that shit.  It doesn't get the same leeway as a new movie in a new franchise.

I wasn't referring to the turtle race. One of the main (i.e. Snoke).  So many complaints about not knowing who he is and why he just died. Yet what did we really know about the emperor in the original trilogy before he died? We learnt the back story in the prequels.

Reread the bold.

hudsoniscool said:
A new hope released in may 1977. It played the entire year and made 200 million that year domestic. The only reason it made more money than Jedi and esb at the box office was because of the situation with VHS.

Exactly.  And if you want to adjust it to ticket price inflation, it made $704M in the US.  $877M if you include rereleases.  It did around $597M in the foreign market, for a WW total of $1.3B, if you don't include rereleases.  Can this movie match that?  Maybe.  Of course, ESB came out at a time when the foreign market was nowhere near as expansive as it is, now.  So, even if it matches that it will still be a disappointment, with how many extra markets it launched in and when we compare it to the $2B TFA made, which showed the potential of a SW in this expanded market.

Goodnightmoon said:
hudsoniscool said:

Again man can't compare the box office for 4 and 5 at all. VHS didn't come out till 1977 the same year as 4 and was really expensive. It played in theaters way way longer than esb. 

Yet the next episode, released when VHS was even cheaper, made substantially more money despite being the worst of the trilogy.

Not WW it didn't.  And $19M isn't exactly substantial.  It's not like the 100's of millions this movie isn't going to make compared to TFA.

Aura7541 said:
Shadow1980 said:

Nothing major. Just an unpleaseable fanbase that's either:

A) Exaggerating over plot points and technical minutiae that can be easily explained, and often the complaints are baseless because people either weren't paying attention or they're thinking too hard about it instead of remembering the "MST3K mantra," but regardless they scream "RUINED FOREVER!" just like the 2187 previous times Star Wars was supposedly ruined forever.

B) Butthurt over it not turning out like they expected. The film does subvert a lot of what most people expected. Even I was initially taken aback by some of the curveballs, but after sitting back and thinking, it makes sense given the themes of the film. Some people simply had ideas in their head about what the film ought to do, how it ought to explain certain things or handle certain characters, and when the film didn't deliver, then came the cries of "RUINED FOREVER!" Honestly, there are several notable lines (which I won't place in context to avoid spoilers) that are meta a hell: "This is not going to end how you think," "Let the past die," and "It's salt." 

C) Being dicks for the sake of being dicks. Some people are just trolls who are riding the "I hate nuWars!" bandwagon. Some dipshits out there on the internet have claimed that they either plan on or have already tried to sabotage the movie's viewer review scores on RT and Meta.

 

I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but the level of hate TLJ gets on the internet is fucking ridiculous and totally undeserved. Rian Johnson created an enjoyable, beautifully crafted movie, and I'm going to go see it one, maybe two more times, and I'll be buying it on 4K Blu-ray when that releases.

I don't think it's a great idea to attribute much of the blame on trolls. The movie had a lot of flaws other than Rey's Kirito Syndrome and you would've helped yourself way more if you actually addressed those criticisms rather than dismissing them as mere butthurt. People with large fanbases such as Angry Joe had several problems with the movie even though they did enjoy the movie. The person I mentioned earlier, Troy Leavitt, went further than expressing his criticisms and gave his suggestions on how to make TLJ's plot better.

What I find hilarious is that not a single person who claims to really like/love this film will address one of its larger plotholes.  I have asked 3 of those people here to answer and they don't reply.  It's exactly like I said.  There is no answer for it and they are afraid to dwell on it for too long for fear it will ruin a movie they feel the need to love.  I guess cause it's Star Wars?

Goodnightmoon said:

When we reach a point where people suggest a movie that made 750m in 9 days (despite Xmas eve on the weekend) and is already the third highest grossing movie on USA of the whole 2017 is some kind of massive dissapointment and a failure... at that point we know we are reaching madness.

When we reach the point where the largest film franchise in history is compared to others, since it might still be able to match them and we can still say it is a success, when we already have a new Star Wars movie to compare it to, it's reaching madness.  But, if you want to compare it to something else big like Avengers, if it was a good movie this should have had no problem reaching $1.8M.  You see, that would be an 8% drop.  The same one Avenger:AOU saw from the first Avengers.  Unfortunately for it, it was not a good movie, so we are looking at a much steeper drop.  There's a good shot that it won't even hit Avengers:AOU's $1.4B, which itself would have been a 70% drop.