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thismeintiel on 24 December 2017
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Azuren said:
thismeintiel said:

It amazes me that there are so many people who do not want to admit she is a Mary Sue.  It's just so obvious.  I think it is those who want so badly to love these films, and admitting that, as well as the huge plotholes in this new film (not just nitpicky one that are in every movie), they know it will hurt their love of the films.  SW deserves better than a Mary Sue.  Like I have said before, it is just so sad because Daisy Ridley is a good actress.  She actually makes you want to like Rey.  But, when you realize that she's just a Mary Sue, it's almost impossible to like her.  In this movie, because of the revelation of who her parents are, and because she only got a 5 min lesson from Luke, it drives the Mary Sue aspect even more.

I know you haven't watched the film, so I won't spoil why this happens, but she actually picks up a big pile of boulders with absolutely no effort and barely any concentration whatsoever.  Remember, this is after just a 5 min lesson from Luke, which didn't even include lifting objects.  It pisses you off even more when you think about how hard it was for Luke to do 3 smaller ones.  Or how Yoda had to concentrate hard to lift the X-Wing.  Or how even Kylo has had to have a decade or more worth's of training to be equal to Rey.

The most frustrating part of all of it is the fact that Finn, a significantly better character, IS RIGHT FUCKING THERE. USE HIM.

So true.  In the thread I made about TFA, one of the things I would have changed is making Finn the Jedi, not Rey.  Rey was just the obvious and safe choice, given her appearance and home planet, just like Luke.  Don't get me wrong, it cold have worked with Rey.  But, unfortunately, the writers weren't capable of giving us an actual character in her, just a Mary Sue.

DivinePaladin said:
Love the editorializing in the title. It'll end up well over $1b anyway, probably $1.5b, regardless what the core SW fanbase thinks about the film.

$1B, sure.  $1.5B?  Doubtful.  The fact remains, however, Disney wanted to make a lot more than that.  Now, they have less and pissed off the fanbase.  Oh, and it's not editorializing if its the truth.

Cobretti2 said:
StarOcean said:

Yep, it’s the worst movie ever made. Ever ever ever. It’s got the biggest plotholes ever. The plots bad because the plot is bad. And the story is bad and full of holes. Holesss. Jesus Fucking Christ. You’d swear with your fearful obsession with holes that you have trypophobia. The movie is fine, buy a latter and get over it. 

The funny thing is one of the MAIN plot holes was pretty much in the original trilogy too. Til they made the prequels to explain some of it (ironically adidng other plot holes lol)

 

The thing people forget is Disney will milk this cow. A huge plot hole in one movie could be a side movie on its own.

 

The other annoying thing is people talking Mark Hamill didn't like the movie. Well woopie fucking do. If he hated it so much why sell yourself out for the money? Because he NEEDS money. if he didn't need the cash I am sure he could have pushed back with threats to quit and they would have changed it or fired him. Guess he did not want to be fired.

Interesting.  I don't recall the thrilling part in the OG trilogy where we had to endure a turtle vs turtle chase for 2 hrs.  One that could have ended very quickly if the huge plot hole of the Order being able to call in other ships to that location, or even being able to fly a bunch of ships straight through the rebel one, were addressed.  Sure, the OG trilogy probably has a bunch of small nitpicky ones if you go through them.  Not ones that completely ruin the movie or are that stinking big.  And this new trilogy is a continuation of the old one.  You can't just completely reset the politics of the galaxy like the OG trilogy didn't happen.  You have to explain that shit.  It doesn't get the same leeway as a new movie in a new franchise.