| TruckOSaurus said: I agree with most complaints on here and I think the root of it all is Rian Johson not wanted to follow up on the loose ends intentionally left by Abrams. He actually said he didn't want to direct somebody's sequel and it shows. Not only does he mishandle plot points from TFA, he also doesn't seem to be interested in setting up the final episode. |
Rian does carry some of the blame, but not all. Abrams was a producer on this film, so I'm sure he also had some say in it. He's also praised the script publicly after he read it. Disney also carried some blame for allowing him to just drop things, if that is what actually happened. They probably let him do whatever as long as he delivered more cute animals to push sales.
| Nymeria said:
My heart breaks for Mark, he looked in shock after seeing it. He did express his concerns before on multiple occasions about how they handled Luke. |
Damn, that's hard to watch. It's like his soul died a little seeing how they let Luke go out like that.
| OTBWY said: 41: The Luke shoulder swipe. 42: Snope's body falling and his tongue out like some cartoon. 43: What are all the other first order ships doing? 44: If Luke didn't want to be found, how come there was a map? 45: Stupid salt foxes. It was all CG. I don't care that they had some puppet model they didn't use. It was CG. 46: 75% of all fighter pilots are female. If this isn't gender politics, I don't know what is. 47: Dumb island nun aliens. 48: Over reliance on trinkets. The cubes, the yin-yang, the rebel insignia ring. 49: Walkers do nothing. They just walk and then stand. Oh, they shoot at ghost Luke. Wow. 50: Why didn't loldo just tell Poe what they were going to do? |
43: Another huge plot hole. You're telling me that they couldn't have signaled to another ship the exact coordinates of the rebel's ship, had them lightspeed a mere inches/feet away from it, then blow it to smithereens? That's why the ship thing would only make sense if it was a, at max, 20 min scene that played out in realtime, like it would have been in the OG trilogy. Not the entire plot of the movie, where the NO had 18 hours to figure out how to destroy them.
47: See, this is something that could have been forgiven if the remainder of the film was great. As is, it's just another scene trying hard to be funny. Though, it was one of the few "funny" scenes that got a little chuckle out of me.
49: Another huge letdown. Why invent brand new vehicles for no other reason than to have them sit there and look cool. There was no point to having them over the normal AT-ATs. What should have happened is that they only had the normal walkers, but as the rebels are escaping, all of a sudden the Ape ones start going over the mountain,as I assume that's why they have hands. And this should have been the reveal that Phasma had survived, as she would have been piloting the main one.
Mandalore76 said:
I didn't like that they ended Luke's character they way they did, but I won't say that the way it was done doesn't make sense. If Luke had physically gone there, Kylo's AT-AT's would have obliterated him on the spot and would not have bought the Rebels any time. Kylo feared Luke and wanted The First Order to kill him for him before having to attempt a face to face confrontation. So in that sense, a force projection ruse by Luke makes sense. It was disappointing to see him disappear afterwards, but again it makes sense that a manipulation of the force on that level would have strained his lifeforce to the point of breaking. Besides, he did successfully buy time for the Rebels to escape. And he gave up the last of his lifeforce to do so. How does that make him go out like a bitch instead of a hero? (Mind you, I'm not gung ho about what happened, I just disagree with your interpretation of that specific sequence) And yeah, Disney definitely was leaning towards their Marvel tendencies with this film more than being true to Star Wars. And by Marvel, I mean their post Guardians of the Galaxy tendencies, because not all Disney Marvel films have been this over the top with humor before GotG. The original Guardians was a great family movie and a lot of fun. Unfortunately, ever since then, Disney has been trying to over apply this to all of their films ever since. Even in the sequel to Guardians it seemed like they were pushing it too hard with jokes that were supposed to be huge laughs but weren't, or were out of place. I didn't enjoy the first 1/3 of The Last Jedi, because it felt more like a parody of Star Wars than an actual Star Wars film. I like to laugh as much as the next person, but that's what Family Guy, Robot Chicken, and SNL are for. A funny quip here and there can be used to great effect. But on this level, it's like Disney is lampooning Star Wars within it's own universe. |
I agree with the 2nd paragraph. As for the first, it was like a bitch because, again, he didn't really do anything. He made an image, which I guess gave them time to evacuate, even though they had plenty of time when Po, Finn, and Rose went out on those shitty sand/salt vehicles, and then he faded away. IF he was going to die, he should have just showed up. It would have been more impactful if he did. Not just fade away, without really helping the rebellion, and no one around to mourn him (on a side note, isn't it funny how Solo died like a few days/weeks ago, yet no one seems to give a shit, not even Chewy.) Again, leaving them with his problem. Hell, he could have showed up and projected himself while in the base, instead of killing himself by doing it lightyears away.
If it was me, I would change what made him this way. Personally, I wouldn't have him this way, but just for argument sake. He should have gone there to try to find some new insight into the Force, to try to find the strength to take down Snoke, Kylo, and the Knights of Ren. He should have learned something earth shattering about the Jedi counsel that destroyed his image of the Jedi in general. He's going to just live the remainder of his life on the island away from people, until someone uses his map to find him. Maybe he resists at first, but he eventually accepts that Kylo and the Knights of Ren were his doing, even though unintentional, so he must face them. I think he should have died in an epic battle against his former students. Something that could have been Kylo's turning point back to good. Or if he had already turned, Luke and Kylo take down the KOR together, but then Luke is mortally wounded by Snoke. Kylo and Snoke have a showdown, either right after or maybe in the next film.
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