George Lucas Was Right About the Star Wars Fanbase

[Goodnightmoon]

mZuzek said:

Goodnightmoon said:

Ok I just realized this conversation leads nowhere, your first paragraph already says everything, you only watch mainstream cinema as I said before, and you didn't understood my point with the Britney Spears example at all, I never said it was horrible music but is laughable to believe is the best kind of music out there. Also to say TFA is not well executed even when is now being studied as a perfect example of great visual storytelling ... yeah, you really don't know what good execution means, you also believe that SW 1-2-3 are bad because they took many risks instead of because they are horribly directed by one of the laziest directors on Earth (something that everyone that has worked with him says) which makes this conversation pontentially impossible without having to explain you the very basics of everything and it makes no fucking sense because those movies didn't take any big risks from a cinematographic pov to beging with.

And no, GoTG has no deep emotions to it at all, it doesn't mean that is an emotionless movie but it doesn't take itself seriously enough to be emotionally deep, only someone that never watches anything other than the usual american blockbusters would believe a movie like GoTG is emotionally deep.

Okay, I lied to myself, I'm still awake. This is really the last one, though.

Thanks for showing you truly have absolutely no interest in understanding other people's points of view, and conveniently twisting arguments for your own benefit.

Empire Strikes Back, Rango, Inglorious Basterds and a few more blockbuster movies are what I'd call my favorite movies I've watched. See, I said favorite. That doesn't mean I don't watch other stuff, even if I mostly stay on the mainstream stuff because I like it more... and it's a crazy thing you know, mainstream stuff can be actually fucking good - I don't really understand where this stupid notion comes from that mainstream movies are just whatever, especially coming from a gaming forum where most people's favorite games are absolutely 100% mainstream. One of my favorite movies of 2015 (I think it was 2015) is Room by the way, I wouldn't call that mainstream, but whatever.

I also never said the Star Wars prequels' direction and writing isn't a reason why they're bad, in fact I'm almost sure I said they are. The "taking risks" point was one in general applicable to any personal work of art, not necessarily Star Wars. I do think the prequels were horribly written and directed, but to say they took no risks is quite crazy, because they did take Star Wars in a very different direction regardless of if it was poorly executed or not. Also, lol at TFA being a "perfect example of visual storytelling", holy god where've we gotten to.

Also, comparing Britney Spears to Guardians of the Galaxy is quite ridiculous. When you're talking about Britney Spears, you're talking about a big popstar in what is by far the most streamlined and soulless industry in all of art, one where most "artists" barely have a say in what songs they're making and in fact probably know very little about songwriting itself - quite unlike the movie industry, where it feels like in at least 50% of the largest blockbuster movies there's still some sense that at least someone at some point there had a cool idea they really wanted to go along with. It's only natural, actually, that the industries would evolve this way, because it takes far more effort to make a movie than a song, so movies are harder to mass produce.

Anyway, it's obvious as fuck you didn't watch the video I sent you. Guardians of the Galaxy does have deep emotion whether you let it in or not, and most of it in fact comes from its light-heartedness - but I guess a pretensious ass like yours could never have any appreciation for something that's self-aware, because you obviously aren't either. I know it's hard (impossible) for you to accept, but if any movie evokes strong and deep feelings on anyone, that means it does have deep emotion, even if it won't get to everyone. I mean, this sounds incredibly stupid to debate - "deep emotion" is fucking obviously something you can't measure, it is a completely subjective thing and as such it'll hit some and miss others. So, just accept people have different opinions and get on with it.

Good-fucking-bye.

Yes TFA is a great example of good visual storytelling, your "lol" only leaves you in evidence in front of anyone with any kind of knowledge in the subject, the movie its so good in that regard that you could play it on japanese and still understand everything that's going on by just watching it, but yeah, what can I expect from someone that believes Guardians of the Galaxy is an emotionally deep film with high artistic values and that Britney Spears has no freedom to choose their own writters/producers for a 1m$ album but a completely random director that nobody knew few years ago has a lot of freedom to do whatever he wants in a 200m$ movie.

Oh and your conclusion that I believe mainstream stuff is bad just when I'm talking positively of one of the most mainstream movies ever made in the same post is truly brilliant and it makes total sense.... You really have a hard time understanding my points, you want to talk about artistic and creative value in cinema when you rarely watch any movie that stands out for any of those qualities to beging with since almost everything you watch are american blockbusters which makes your knowledge (and by extension your taste) extremelly limited, that's where my example about the kid that only listens to the pop hits of the radio comes from, is not that those hits are bad, but if that's the only thing he listents to then he knows very little about music.

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 19 December 2017