mZuzek said:
Oh okay so we're just jumping to conclusions now, alright. Look dude, I've seen many different kinds of movies over the life. I mostly watch blockbusters, yeah, but I've also seen lots of animated (and anime) films, smaller indie movies, and foreign movies from many different places. Some of my favorite movies are Empire Strikes Back (huge blockbuster), Rango (rather forgotten animation) and Inglorious Basterds (semi-indie I guess), and I don't care what the hell you think of those. I don't think Star Wars 1/2/3 are better than The Force Awakens, but for the most part I personally do enjoy them more because I get more invested in the worlds and the ideas they bring to the table, and can get behind those even if the execution is mostly terrible - I can always go back to watch those and be amazed at the creations they and only they brought to the world of Star Wars, whereas if I'm gonna watch TFA I'd rather just go back to ANH for really obvious reasons. Also, I'd hardly say TFA was greatly executed either. The script is fine I guess, and the acting is fine too, but they don't get a lot farther than that. There's absolutely no reason to be invested in any of the characters when they're a random ex-stormtrooper who turns out to be a super generic black dude stereotype and a super amazing rebel pilot who is super awesome and happy and nice and handsome (and they both become BFF's in like 2 seconds despite being in opposing factions and all), and a Mary Sue who can pretty much instantly solve any problem ever - which, you know, doesn't do a whole lot for the plot when it's ever so clear she's just always going to come out on top of everything. And there were also a few terribly written/performed moments in the movie, like the cringy debate between Finn and Rey at Maz Kanata's place (sorry, but "come away with me" just never works) or the absolutely awful discussion between Han and Leia about Luke and Kylo and whatever the Emperor 2.0's name was. ...and if you think Britney Spears is what terrible music's like, you really don't understand a thing. See, there is this thing called industry (pretty sure Britney Spears is a part of it), and the way it works is, they take successful formulas and repeat them, in a way they know it'll never come off too bad. If ever they have an issue or think something isn't good enough, they'll settle it around a committee of experienced writers and investors and all that stuff to decide what's best for the business. You know what else sounds a lot like this? The Force Awakens. A movie that is perfectly fine and watchable, but devoid of any creativity. In fact, usually the worst music, as well as the worst anything, comes from genuine artistic works, because that's where one person might be dragged too far into their own vision to understand their mistakes or they try to experiment so far out there that inevitably their work just becomes an incomprehensible mess. That sounds a lot like the Star Wars prequels, actually - but it's just the nature of playing safe vs. taking risks. One will always have mild success or failure, whereas the other is bound to a much wider range of effectiveness. If you really think GotG Vol. 2 has no emotion I really just recommend watching this video (and knowing you, inevitably disregard anything it says). I'm sure this movie probably didn't do anything for you, and that's fine, because it's you know, your taste dude. But personally, having seen and enjoyed movies of all kinds I can say this movie evokes stronger feelings in me than anything else in art, not just movies, by a mile. Edit: also, I'm going to sleep now (thankfully), so, bye. |
Ok I just realized this conversation leads nowhere, your first paragraph already says everything, you only watch mainstream cinema as I said before. Also you didn't understood my point with the Britney Spears example at all, I never said it was horrible music but is laughable to believe is the best kind of music out there. Also to say TFA is not well executed even when is now being studied as a perfect example of great visual storytelling ... yeah, you really don't know what good execution means, you also believe that SW 1-2-3 are bad because they took many risks instead of because they are horribly directed by one of the laziest directors on Earth (something that people that works with him usually says) which makes this conversation pontentially impossible without having to explain you the very basics of cinema and it makes no fucking sense because those movies didn't take any big risks from a cinematographic or a narrative pov to beging with at all, you took that out of nowhere.
And no, GoTG has no deep emotions to it at all, it doesn't mean that is an emotionless movie but it doesn't take itself seriously enough to be emotionally deep, only someone that never watches anything other than the usual american blockbusters would believe a movie like GoTG is emotionally deep.
