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mZuzek said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Gotg vol 2 is not bad executed from a technical pov, is just way dumber than the first, way more unbalanced and too excesive, sometimes feels like a parody of the franchise, it is still overall a good enternainment but it doesn't reach the impression that the first one left at all, a movie that was very refreshing as a blockbuster to spend the time with friends and eat some popcorns, but that's it, if you believe GoTG is high cinema you are really clueless, is good cinema for evasion, a great spectacle for sure but it barely has any strong artistic value to beging with, its pure and simple entertainment and vol 2 is just not as satisfactory in that regard as the first one.

See, this is exactly why you don't like the second one - because it's not as "entertaining" or "evasive". It's a movie that takes stuff deeper, and as such you just got bored because in your conceited mind you simply can't accept that this popcorn spectacle movie might have any genuity to it.

I don't care who the hell your favorite directors are or what constitutes as "high cinema". If "high cinema" is what people like you call themselves to pretend your opinion is any better, if "high cinema" is whatever bullshit goes on at the oscars when no higher budget movies are ever even nominated for anything, if "high cinema" is disregarding other people's opinions... I honestly couldn't care less about it.

You know, as much as you might not believe it (and I'm sure you're even going to try and tell me it isn't true and I'm wrong), Guardians of the Galaxy actually has a writer/director who is passionate as hell about his work and has remained very true to his roots. But nah, it's a Marvel movie so it's just stupid dumb popcorn fun. There's a raccoon and a talking tree , so it can't possibly have any real character development, and if they wanna pretend it has, then it's just bad.

I never even said you don't give a shit about artistic direction. I said people in the movie industry seem to value it considerably less than execution though, and my point stands. Watch the Star Wars prequels, then watch The Force Awakens - if you tell me Force Awakens has more creativity I'm sorry but you're just completely out of your mind. It might be the better movie technically, but there's no inventiveness to it at all, and personally especially when it comes to Star Wars (because it's a very genuine, one-person artistic vision) I do value that a lot.

Dude, people that works in cinema value the artistic side of movies way more than you do but some movies are made to be deep, artistic or/and emotionally complex and some movies are made only to be a fun and well crafted spectacle, some movies manage to mix both things sure, but Guardians of the Galaxy never pretended to be that kind of movie to beging with, is not an emotionally complex movie, is not a thought provoking movie, is not a very smart movie either and it isn't any cinematographic achievement by any means, is just a nice spectacle (full of CGI everywhere) with very charismatic characters, a refreshing style (for its genre) and a cool aesthetic, but since the only kind of movie you watch are this kind of huge blockbusters made to be just pure entertainment and to be liked by the masses you simply don't know better and believe GoTG is the best of the best, is like the kid that only listents to the pop hits on the radio and thinks Britney Spears is the best and most complex artist on Earth.

When you talk about creativity you are only talking about the story of the movie, you get to the conclusion that Star Wars 1-2-3 are better than 7 just because the story does add more things to the lore, but you are missing the point completely, if you have creative lyrics for a song but then the music is horrible then is just a shitty song, Episode 1 and 2 are painful to watch to anyone that loves cinema, its hard to take care for the story when everything around it its so damn bad and the story itself is not really well writted to beging with at all, on the other hand episode 7 is like a song with not very inspired lyrics that we have heard before but the music around it is pretty awesome, and since the most important thing in music is.... well.... music, is a way better song than the other, you are making a similar mistake that makes the people that believes the quality of videogames are measure by the quality of their stories, that people really don't understand what gaming is about and I'm afraid you are in a similar position when it comes to cinema.

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 19 December 2017