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IkePoR said:
VAMatt said:

I want no laws, strictly speaking.  

Rights don't come from government.  I want all humans to enjoy all basic human rights.  The only thing that government does is infringe upon them.  

Right then.

So a bloke breaks in your home in your dead of sleep, shoots you - because hey, anyone can just buy a gun without a licence because no laws - and steals all your belongings.  Cause without a government, all those crimes are fair game.  At this point, you'd better hope your closest ER is within crawling distance.  Cause without a government, no taxes = no ambulance.  

If you want the wild west, that's what life would be like.  I don't think you want no laws, I think you want what everyone wants - big corporations to stop influencing laws.  I think you want the government to be honest and look out for everyone it governs over, instead of fitting whatever agenda their owners pay them to fit.  

Human rights are nice, but the flaw with "basic human rights" is the complexities of human interaction.  Courts lived by "human rights" for a long time and you know where it got them?  Beheadings, hangings, unfair trails, horrible jailing conditions, wrongful imprisonment, draconian prison sentences and the list goes on and on. 

A government doesn't exclusively define laws. Laws are defined by societal moral codes.  No laws means debaucherous self preservation, to the point where no moral value will exist.  You want the benefit of human rights, after saying you want a society without morals. It sounds like you're a bit misguided or you have poorly established your world view.

 

Zkuq said:
VAMatt said:

I want no laws, strictly speaking.  

Rights don't come from government.  I want all humans to enjoy all basic human rights.  The only thing that government does is infringe upon them.  

How do you plan on enforcing human rights without a government? Mob rule?

You both seem to have a poor understanding of anarchy.  The one liner that I use to explain the basic premise to people that are stuck in the regular box of political thought is this - Anarchy doesn't mean no rules.  It means no rulers.  That's about as far as I'm interested in taking this discussion on VGC.  I come to this site to discuss gaming.  I should have kept my mouth shut in this thread.  But, I just couldn't help but point out the ridiculous yearning by gamers for crony capitalists to control the internet.  In the same sentence people talk about how big companies are going to ruin the internet, while calling on big companies to have their way with the internet.  People shit-talk the Trump administration (rightly so), then immediately say that they want the Trump administration to have more control over the internet.  It is mind boggling.  

And, BTW, I've spent the last decade of my life heavily involved in libertarian and anarchist political activism.  My world view is well established.